Terror Plot Foiled
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They were planning mass murder, which is a terrible crime. I fail to see how wanting to remove these evil people from our planet would make us bad people....
They have broken the law, and as this possibly one of the worst crimes to commit, the world would be a much happier and richer place without such people.
What do you propose? We put them in jail for 20 years (probably out in 10/15).....feed them, cloth them, give them books to read, allow them to study a degree and be released in a better position than when they were imprisoned.....how is that justice, for such a hideous crime?
They have broken the law, and as this possibly one of the worst crimes to commit, the world would be a much happier and richer place without such people.
What do you propose? We put them in jail for 20 years (probably out in 10/15).....feed them, cloth them, give them books to read, allow them to study a degree and be released in a better position than when they were imprisoned.....how is that justice, for such a hideous crime?
Planning being the operative word. They hadn't actually hurt anyone yet, and whose to say that they all would have gone through with it come the day. To execute people for not much more than evil thoughts is a terrible idea.bigbadish said:
I think actually hurting some one is a worse offfence.
BTW do we apply the same standards to non muslim criminals? Do we execute all the everyday murders and rapists?
Justice is imprisoning people for a length comensurate with their actual crime. Its an act by society that also has an effect on that same society. Killing people for this offence would require the death sentance for a hole raft of more serious offence.
bigbadish said:
Don't forget, if we kill them they will see themselves as a martyr and probably embrace it.
Locking them away and taking their freedom will crush their pride, dignity and cripple their ability to ever try and harm us again.
Sleepy said:
Yes we should apply the same standards to everyone, so we should consider the death penalty for all the everyday rapists and muderers, child killers, peadophiles etc. It is a proven fact a number of times over that these sort of people can never be rehabilitated into the community, so why waste millions of taxpayers money on imprisonment over and over as each time they are let out they go and commit again.
Yes, justice should be, imprisonment commensurate with the actual crime, but even if we change the law so that life means life with absolutely no chance ever of parole then that is not going to solve the problem.
We are being told constantly the prisons are too full.
So why not help congestion and just give the death penalty to all found guilty of taking another life by pre meditated murder and help cut the congestion in our prisons.
VIRII said:
No I couldn't, I would be torn to see a family member/friend sent to prison, but I would also be glad to see them punished. I would have no problem in seeing them inprisoned for a long time. But I don't agree with killing them, whoever it is.
iCraig said:
From a purely logical point of view killing them is cheaper and more efficient and possibly a better deterrent than a 2 week prison sentence.
Again removing all emotion from the argument these people are going to die anyway and so why not simply kill them now?
I think vengeance is again based on getting some sort of "pleasure" or satisfaction from the act of killing wheras simply removing these people from the gene pool to prevent them causing further harm is simply logical rather than emotionally charged.
It is not as though anyone is suggesting sawing their heads off with an old knife whilst videoing it and then dragging the corpses through the streets for rampaging mobs to spit on is it? That would be sick, deranged, stuck in the dark ages and fuelled by irrational hate. Although some here seem to wish to excuse or "understand" such actions.
iCraig said:
If there was substantial incriminating eveidence, DNA proof etc, and they were actually found to be guilty of the crime then yes, sorry, but they would stop being a friend or relative.
May sound harsh but theat is what I believe I would be like, it has never happened so I cannot really say, hopefully I will never have to find out.
Entai said:
You would rather see that person killed for committing the crime, and not just inprisoned? I don't think I could, I would have no objection in seeing them locked up, possibly for life depending on the severity, but to kill them? I wouldn't agree with that.
iCraig said:
Again, even if life imprisonment actually meant life with no chance of parole, how full are the prisons going to be in a few years.
Why not stop the chance of filling them up with people who have no chance of ever being released.
A life for a life really, even if the victims life has not ended physically it pretty much has ended mentally in a lot of ways for victims of rape.
VIRII said:
I can't really answer that, I would have to base my ideals on your premises, I would actually have to learn what it was like to have a child and suffer that trauma, before saying what I would like to see happen to the attacker.
From my perspective right now (which is probably too far removed from what it would be if I was a Father), I would say it would be extremely difficult not to seek and destroy that individual with whatever means neccessary to revenge my offspring's suffering, but I wouldn't be able to do it. I would want them locked up for the rest of their life, their freedom and sense of living taken away until they die naturally. But I wouldn't want to murder them.