Test drove a VX220 turbo today

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As some of you know I've been considering selling the MR2 and replacing it with a VX220 turbo. Problem is there aren't many around so trying to get a test drive is a nightmare. Fortunately last night I spotted one in the Autotrader in my local Jaguar dealership of all places so this morning I phoned up to arrange a viewing and test drive.

I arrived there and hidden away at the back of the garage, away from all the "proper" cars was a silver VX220. I went over, opened the door and got in without any drama which seemed to really surprise the salesman. Once he'd contorted his body into the passenger seat he started to explain about the car, continually reminding me that it was noisy, crashy, uncomfortable etc. (not much of a sales pitch!) I showed him my licence and we went for a test drive.

First thing that I noticed is the total lack of rear visibilty, there's about 8" of gap between the seats where you can see through but other than that you're reversing blind. Next thing I noticed was the lack of power steering. I'd forgotten what it was like to drive without it as it's been so long since I drove a non PAS car, it felt very heavy at slow speeds but not anything which would put me off. After that I noticed how flippin' heavy the pedals were, they aren't light and sensitive like the CTR/MR2, they're heavy and clunky.

Right then, I turn left onto the Bath road and we're off, straight into a queue of traffic :( I crawl along the road for 5 mins, noticing how twitchy the steering is, it seems to have a mind of its own and reacts to every single undulation in the road, pulling from side to side. Once I got out of the traffic I managed to get onto some half decent twisty roads and only then did I realise exactly what this car is about, the steering and suspension is just so good. When people describe it as "kart like" they aren't lying, it just goes where you point it and feels perfectly weighted.

After a while I thought I'd better see just how quick this thing is so I headed down onto the ring road where I managed to make some annoying Merc driver turn into a very small dot in my rear view mirror. Sure it's quick but it didn't actually feel as quick as I was expecting, nothing noticably faster than the MR2 anyway. The pickup from the turbo is better however with zero lag, infact it doesn't even feel like the engine is turbo'd, it just feels like a nice big engine with plenty of power.

Whilst driving down the ringroad I noticed exactly how Lotus/Vauxhall had managed to make it so lightweight. I went to pull the sun visor down to shield my eyes from the sun, only to discover that there aren't any visors, doh! Never mind, I could always get a sunstrip I guess.

Onto the noise. I'd been told that it was noisy and raw but everyone said the same about the CTR and that's quite subdued in my opinion. Oh dear was I in for a shock! At 80mph I had to shout to the salesman, the noise inside the cabin was very intrusive and it wasn't even intake/exhaust noise, there was just *NOISE* coming from everywhere.

Conclusion : Well, it's certainly as raw as everyone says! The performance didn't really impress me, it felt a bit asthmatic higher up the rev range but I'm sure that's nothing that a Stage 2 remap and Milltek exhaust couldn't fix. I absolutely loved the steering and suspension, I felt like a driving god within 10 mins of getting in the car. I can live with the impracticalities, the lack of comforts doesn't bother me too much but that noise at speed might. The one thing however that I really hated was the gearbox, it just felt really clunky and sloppy and ruined the whole car. I know I'm spoiled as the CTR has possibly the slickest gearbox ever but the VX220 was sorely let down by the box. I'm hoping that it was knackered and that they're not all like that.

I'm gonna arrange a test drive of an Elise next and also try another VX220 just to see if all their gearboxes are the same or if I was driving a duffer. If they're all like that then I'm gonna keep the MR2 and just sort out the handling, if that particular gearbox was just dodgy then it may well be goodbye Toyota, hello Vauxhall/Lotus :)

PS - Fox, you really have to go test drive one of these, you'll hate it more than you've ever hated any other car in your life!
 
LOL.
I can relate to everything you said. Got a lift in one for a weekend a couple of years back. Had to wear earplugs for the 3 hour journey and arrived with hypothermia as the heater is rubbish. Awesome drivers car, just far too raw for my likeing.
 
It is a pure raw track day car. The engineering of the turbo mated to the (Z20LET) is pure class, ultra close to the exhaust port so that the turbo spools up real quick like you say, it feels like there is no turbo because lag is minimal.

I dont think I could live with one as a daily driver, weekend / track day car definately!

Did yours have a stereo? The one I drove did, but it looked fake!
 
Hey dude, so it wasnt really all that then? Sounds like a real blast though & an ideal 2nd car :cool:

Speaking of fast cars, had a ride in an evil Evo6 last night (with about 320bhp) and HOLY GOOD GOD that is one fast mutha! Scared the holy hell outta me, so much so I know what my next (or next next) car is gonna be :D

But for now I'll carry on tuning the '2 & settle til the end of Summer, enjoy the T-Top :cool:

Si
 
Human Torch said:
Did yours have a stereo? The one I drove did, but it looked fake!

It had a stereo but the front panel wasn't fitted so I never tried it out. I don't think it's the type of car to warrant a stereo to be honest, you probably wouldn't be able to hear it anyway unless you were parked up.

JediFragger said:
Hey dude, so it wasnt really all that then? Sounds like a real blast though & an ideal 2nd car :cool:

It was a great car, there's no denying that but I'm just not sure if it's worth £10k on top of the MR2. If I could get the MR2 to have the same handling characteristics as the VX220 then I'd be happy.
 
eidolon said:
It was a great car, there's no denying that but I'm just not sure if it's worth £10k on top of the MR2. If I could get the MR2 to have the same handling characteristics as the VX220 then I'd be happy.

Get the ARB upgrade m8, got TRDs on mine and they're awesome :cool:

All you need for power is a Chargecooler and Unichip (about £1k total) and you'll be flying along at 330bhp ish :D

Si
 
eidolon said:
I went to pull the sun visor down to shield my eyes from the sun, only to discover that there aren't any visors, doh! Never mind, I could always get a sunstrip I guess.

I believe the standard solution is to always keep a baseball cap in the car. Stops the wind mucking your hairdo up when you've got the roof off too. ;)
 
Just buy one :D You wont regret it. The first month of so of owning one really is just the "wow" factor from smug feeling of driving one, and the looks of the thing.

But once you get into the groove of how it drives, you really realise how sublime the driving experience is.

I personally wouldn't get a blown Elise/VX though - no matter how well the turbo lag is negated, I'm a firm believer in NA power...
 
JediFragger said:
Get the ARB upgrade m8, got TRDs on mine and they're awesome :cool:

I've got poly bushes (High and Tight) all round and £1000 worth of High and Tight adjustable coilovers but the MR2 is nothing like the VX for handling. The more I'm sat here thinking about it the more I'm realising how much I enjoyed the accuracy of the steering. It's by far the best I've experienced, just so direct.

I just dunno about the gearbox, it just felt really sloppy and ruined the whole car :( I'm hoping I just drove a bad example and that they're not all like that.
 
eidolon said:
I just dunno about the gearbox, it just felt really sloppy and ruined the whole car :( I'm hoping I just drove a bad example and that they're not all like that.
Replacement gear linkages and short shift stick for the Lotus are supposed to make a huge difference to the gear box. I don't suppose you can get similar for the vx? ~£110 all in?
 
I think the pics were taken in the dark by a blind man. The Jag dealers was full of stuffy old people buying armchairs with engines, I looked so out of place there :D

The Elise S2 is next on the list to try, might see if I can drive one tomorrow as there's a Lotus dealer just down the road. Ideally I want the 111R but it's a bit more than I wanna spend considering it's just for a Summer toy. I'll test the 111S and see how that compares but if I wasn't impressed by the performance of the VXT I can't see me being impressed by the Elise
 
yeah, used to go past the lotus dealer very often, god i used to love the black castle :<
 
I'm surprised about the comments on the gearbox. In a recent thread on the VX forum the gearbox was rated as most owners second favourite thing behind the handling. Personally I love the VX gearbox because of it's speed and accuracy, even though it is clunky. It's got a power rating of 230bhp which given the weight of the VXT should mean no reliability problems. As far as I'm aware there hasn't been a single failure in a VX, even those pushing 280bhp (although there are very few around that have 50k on the clock).

I don't think the short-shifter that fits in the Elise will fit the VX although I may be wrong.

The noise is the biggest factor on a daily basis but just invest in a set of Bose headphones, an ipod and a big wooly hat :p
 
Shame you had a minder with you. I hate that, you just can't do what you really want to do.

GL with the Lotus drive.
 
ulakye said:
Personally I love the VX gearbox because of it's speed and accuracy, even though it is clunky. It's got a power rating of 230bhp which given the weight of the VXT should mean no reliability problems.

That's not what I've heard, and my source was someone who worked in drivetrain for Lotus. He told me that the VXT had an ECU deliberately preventing full power in first gear, as the gearbox wouldn't stand upto repeated traffic light grand prix on full power.
 
Mr_Sukebe said:
That's not what I've heard, and my source was someone who worked in drivetrain for Lotus. He told me that the VXT had an ECU deliberately preventing full power in first gear, as the gearbox wouldn't stand upto repeated traffic light grand prix on full power.

I've heard stories about the clutch struggling but not the gearbox. If what you're saying is correct then I'm surprised it hasn't been mentioned on the VX Forum. I know the initial throttle response isn't 100% in first gear but I thought this was for emissions reasons rather than to protect the gearbox.
 
iirc eidolon, williams lotus is your closest, and is the one that every garage ive been to and mentioned lotus as a competitior to their car has recommended... so cant be bad !

ive got to disagree about the gearbox tho.. so I recon that might have been a duff one, the one I took out was super precise... but it was a demo car with like 2k, on the clock...

as for noise.. I couldnt hear much when I took one out as we had the roof off... all part of the experience though imo :)

I know what you mean about the steering though.. I drove the VXT the day after my Racing Scholarship qualification day.. and it felt just as good handling wise, if not better than the FF's :)

the turbo engine is considered to be quite tame, and im not sure if the tuning makes it any more raw... a lot of people recon the 2.2 is the one to have if you want a more track orientated performance
 
Yeah, Williams Lotus is only a couple of miles from my house. I'll try to get there tomorrow and see if I can test drive the Elise.

I've just had a good look around the VX forums and most people seem to love the gearbox, it just sounds like the one I test drove was dodgy. As for the engine, well it wasn't slow by any means but I was expecting it to be quicker than it was. I guess I was expecting something that would feel noticably faster than the MR2 which is a bit of a tall order to be fair (unless we're talking real supercars!) It looks like the 250BHP remap would be necessary to keep me happy :)
 
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