Thanks Apple Maps for your detour suggestion

[lordrobs]

Maybe I'm just lucky but I find Apple maps usually gets me where I'm going with less of the Google maps "this route via the single track country road is quicker" shenanigans.

Plus Google maps looks awful when using car play.

 

[LeeUK]

Get this with Google maps too, set up a route prior to departing then halfway through the journey you realise you're going a different way because suddenly it's worked out you can save 1 mile if you make a detour down some scutty single track road.

 

[Ryan-3]

I had Google maps on the other day for directions mainly in the the last 2/3 miles of my journey. It's a good job it wasn't needed at the start, as I noticed it got the lanes I needed drastically wrong on every single roundabout. Little wonder there's chaos of people chopping and changing lanes.

 

[MrRockliffe]

I had Google maps on the other day for directions mainly in the the last 2/3 miles of my journey. It's a good job it wasn't needed at the start, as I noticed it got the lanes I needed drastically wrong on every single roundabout. Little wonder there's chaos of people chopping and changing lanes.

Google maps is terrible. So bad, I typically do the opposite of what it suggests, and usually get it right

 

[ShivP]

I find G maps really good, but typically use Waze

 

[adam cool dude]

Google maps is terrible. So bad, I typically do the opposite of what it suggests, and usually get it right

That is the issue you ignore it because it can be so bad that when it does come up with something. Like the road closure on the A1M near Worksop today you ignore it when listening to it would have been the correct course of action.

 

[ianh]

When driving back from Stoke to Norfolk I drive through Grantham on the A52, yet every time google maps tries to send me South down the A1 for about 2 miles then on a single track farmers road (Whalebone lane) because it "thinks" that road is a 60mph road, and is therefore faster than driving through the centre of Grantham, when in reality its a 20mph at best pot-hole infested nightmare - and yet it still tries to route me that way every time!

 

[adam cool dude]

When driving back from Stoke to Norfolk I drive through Grantham on the A52, yet every time google maps tries to send me South down the A1 for about 2 miles then on a single track farmers road (Whalebone lane) because it "thinks" that road is a 60mph road, and is therefore faster than driving through the centre of Grantham, when in reality its a 20mph at best pot-hole infested nightmare - and yet it still tries to route me that way every time!

It is best to go on the A1 south then rejoin on the A52 new bypass (the bit that is complete) then north again into Grantham and follow the road out back to the A52. Nav will never take you that route but you miss all the traffic in the town centre.

 

[ianh]

@adam cool dude - Cheers cool dude, I usually zip through the centre without much issue but the town has a lot of roadworks at the moment which is a pain so I'll give that semi-bypass a go, although I can't wait for the full bypass to finally open!!!

 

[jpaul]

just doing a comparison of waze/google/apple maps , it's ridiculous how waze&apple pick routes using windy cross-country roads, and equally (as a newish user)
have poor mechanisms to adjust the route to travel what you know would be a better route.

I need to learn how you can sync a google maps route between a laptop(which you have optimised on big screen) and the mobile phone, and reliably replay routes you have done/verified before

 

[Nasher]

just doing a comparison of waze/google/apple maps , it's ridiculous how waze&apple pick routes using windy cross-country roads, and equally (as a newish user)
have poor mechanisms to adjust the route to travel what you know would be a better route.

I need to learn how you can sync a google maps route between a laptop(which you have optimised on big screen) and the mobile phone, and reliably replay routes you have done/verified before

It's usually does stuff like that to avoid traffic.

Google does get lanes wrong though, especially around MK. But then even MK council seem to get them wrong

 

[shifty_uk]

Never use Apple Maps for navigation.

10 years on, it’s still a cut and paste nightmare of every cheap geodata vendor’s offerings.

I prefer native maps over carplay but do find that it often suggests better routes.

Forward planning is the way. The amount of times iDrive took me down a single track country road when there was a perfectly good adjacent dual carriageway..

 

[Lopéz]

I generally find Google Maps fine - but I use Waze now because I can have granular (country by country) selection of use toll roads/don't use toll roads, whereas with Google it's tolls on or tolls off. This blanket setting on Google Maps causes havoc when you, for example, have a motorway vignette for Slovakia but not for Austria and want to use navigation spanning both countries.

 

[jpaul]

It's usually does stuff like that to avoid traffic.

to my mind google maps is junk .. I have some favourite routes I want to share with friends
I want to share an exact route which I know is the best one - I don't want google optmising it because it thinks there is traffic or roadworks ... so
on a PC I specify the route with multiple intermediate stops/way-points to really nail the route down, send it as email link to a phone,
on the phone the bloody google maps still proposes shorter/stupid alternative routes on some legs of this trip - stop messing with my route google.

Google seems to think a twisty road that is shorter can be travelled faster or with less fuel than a straighter road.

 

[jpaul]

so if you want to prepare routes on a big screen home computer and sync them, Apple just has a noddy/beta windows web interface ?;
on google maps found that if I create intermediate destinations at roundabouts on the specific route I want to send friends, and then send an email link to them,
I can prevent google subsequently making silly modifications to the route.....
if it even had a means to say just A roads that would help it's route choice.

an example of it's stupid route choice - took me N->S on the right hand windy route on rubbish roads not the A road on left

 

[jpaul]

so ... I'm concluding ABRP maybe ABRP, even for ICE cars (scavenging from that EV ecosystem)

can set up the routes on a PC unlike Apple maps(limited PC beta), provide guide&waypoints to constrain it to a route I want,
can reverse the dam route in the tool
can save & reload routes
can send the route to Google maps too and it preserves waypoints, but sending to Apple maps just keeps start+destination
It seems to pick sane initial routes unlike google maps too.
Could buy/try the ABRP premium option to see it's display in the car on car-play, but since the phone is mounted so I can see it (and voice still goes to car play) it works fine.

 

[jpaul]

extended trial of a ABRP
... rather annoying that it doesn't tell you verbally when you need to leave a duel carriageway off-ramp, several places where it just said
take the n'th exit from the roundabout for which you had to have left the duel carriageway earlier, but it didn't tell me (roundabout being beneath it, with duel on flyover)

e: interesting take on similar problems with google maps
My point is the street names have disappeared from the AU English voice navigation. Anyone who chooses it (as I would like to) now has to put up with substandard, vague directions. Users should be able to select the voice they prefer AND hear Street names--without compromising safety, or quality of directions.
Yes the street names label has appeared on the default voice, but the detailed direcions have also disappeared from the AU English voice, if not others too.
.. I'd like to have marvin reading out my road direction or hal9000

 

[jpaul]

Solution I have now is setup a route on laptop at home with intermediate waypoints on ABRP then send the route (email link) to use with google maps on iphone,
and also send the reversed route.

I do have a problem getting the route to continue, when I reach intermediate way/stop points on google maps (with Carplay) .....
seems it should provide a continue option, and they have recently fixed such a problem on Android,

Google Maps update breaks "Continue" button on multi-stop routes

Google Maps issue with "Continue" button on multi-stop routes has been escalated for investigation, but there's a temporary workaround.

techissuestoday.com

https://support.google.com/maps/thread/277432659

I am having this problem on a Samsung Galaxy S20. I set a route with multiple destinations and once the 1st destination has been reached the "Continue" notification appears as a button on screen. I press continue and it blinks but does not continue. Exit works sometimes but its frozen mostly. This issue started as a freeze after a successful navigation. I could not exit Maps. I had to turn my camera on , lock my phone and then close all apps. Then yesterday (5th June 2024) continue no longer worked. The freezing of the app still happens too.
...
Been an issue for multiple days...
I'm a delivery driver... I need to be able to map out all of my stops at once and continue, it takes too long to reenter every single one at each stop.
I have to stop using google maps, it doesn't look like I can continue using it due to this issue.

Also, on google maps itself (unlike abrp) you cannot easily save/repeat previous routes, other than by finding the route under settings->maps history, and looking for the day you used it,
re-finding the route from your route from email link is easier

 

[jpaul]

Using intermediate waypoints on google maps, to force it onto a specific route you preconfigured , the CP the interface on the car screen does not enable you to cancel those
way points and continue the journey as you arrive at them - found I needed to use the iphone screen to do that ...

guess no one else has problems with rubbish B-road route suggestion from google/apple maps.

 

[jpaul]

Seems I need to disable mobile data on google maps too , so it does not divert down 20mph streets as it did today because it thought it was saving time,
myself and the other idiots evidently using it too, then had to queue at a roundabout to get back on the route it should have taken all along...

Does it send 50% of the traffic down both routes stochastically, or I need to pay for a premium service.