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"You have a strict budget to buy something? You should consider the ProXXX3000 that is twice that budget."

"What will solve that problem you're facing as a beginner is to adopt this technique only someone with many years' experience in our hobby can do."

"Because you're a beginner, when you repeat that advice you received from experts in the field, without simultaneously flagging that it has come from an expert, we'll assume it came from you and say it's wrong."

"Trying to steer a conversation towards one topic, when we all like repeating the same tired views on other topics even faintly tangental is a beginner's mistake and doomed to fail."

"Going online to learn about your hobby and buy for it, with all the accompanying ultra-convenient customer service and no faff, is a sorry substitute for being made to feel like a complete fool by the enthusiast in a club or working in a specialist shop not quite local to you, who will give precisely zero ****s about your beginner's purchase."

"I see that the list of criteria you've provided expressly excludes the forum's favourite - the ProXXX3000 - from suitability and yet it's been recommended by several posters in this thread already. Nevertheless, allow me to also recommend the ProXXX3000. I might even express surprise nobody's recommended it already."

"While beginners generally benefit from a more generic, simpler model to start with, can I just take this opportunity to recommend this ultra-niche, utterly esoteric model to bolster my forum credentials?"

"You've asked for a budget option (and even included a figure, which completely negates the point I'm desparate to make so I'll ignore it). "Budget" means different things to different people and my suggestion for a budget option would be this model here that costs 20 times as much and shows everyone how much disposable income I have."

"You get what you pay for, right? By which rationale the ProXXX3000 that was full price yesterday is double the worth of the ProXXX3000 that's half price in the sale that started today."

"Spending a lot of money on this favourite hobby of mine is massively beneficial. But also, the money I've spent doesn't confer any sort of advantage whatsoever - my success is purely down to skill."

"The model you're considering is good, but it won't stand up to long term, pro-level, hard use and abuse like the ProXXX3000 will. I actually have a ProXXX3000 for sale in the members marketplace. Like all my kit, it's immaculate, in its original packaging, has never been outside, and I currently have it wrapped in cotton wool."

"The best thing you can buy is the PROXXX3000. I actually have one in the classified. I'm selling it ahead of a post I'm going to make next week about how much better my new purchase is over the PROXXX3000."

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Have I missed any?

(Definitely not aimed at OCUK where, generally, I've had excellent help - thanks)
 
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The specifics of this are seen in every car forum in the world which isn't for a single brand - where the answer to any 'what car' question, regardless of the requirements, is either a Mondeo or a BMW 3-series.
 
Oh, another rule - two members will start having a barely restrained slanging match about a technical or even semantic detail which makes no difference whatsoever to the question being asked, but which fills about 4 pages of the thread.
 
The specifics of this are seen in every car forum in the world which isn't for a single brand - where the answer to any 'what car' question, regardless of the requirements, is either a Mondeo or a BMW 3-series.

It's the opposite in Linux forums.

"Which distribution for a beginner like me?"

"Ubuntu"
"Mint"
"No, Elementary"
"Debian testing"
"Debian sid"
"NixOS" [someone always recommends NixOS, I have no idea why]
"If you really want to learn Linux, use Arch"
"No, if you really want to learn Linux use Slackware"
"No, if you really want to learn Linux use Gentoo"
"No, Fedora"
"No, Red Hat"

*someone recommends Linux From Scratch*
*someone recommends OpenBSD*
*OP leaves*

A lot of recommendation threads just end up as people showing off their own knowledge and achievements.
 
It should be. Sounds like classic OCUK in every aspect.
It seems like OCUK has the critical/sufficent mass needed to be a bit more self-aware about it though.
The specifics of this are seen in every car forum in the world which isn't for a single brand - where the answer to any 'what car' question, regardless of the requirements, is either a Mondeo or a BMW 3-series.
This is very true.

"I see that you've made a list of criteria that expressly exclude [forum's favourite recommendation] from suitability, and which has nevertheless been recommended by several posters in this thread already. I can't believe nobody's suggested [forum's favourite recommendation] yet."

Oh, another rule - two members will start having a barely restrained slanging match about a technical or even semantic detail which makes no difference whatsoever to the question being asked, but which fills about 4 pages of the thread.
I'm not sure who could ever be guilty of that.
It's the opposite in Linux forums.

"Which distribution for a beginner like me?"

"Ubuntu"
"Mint"
"No, Elementary"
"Debian testing"
"Debian sid"
"NixOS" [someone always recommends NixOS, I have no idea why]
"If you really want to learn Linux, use Arch"
"No, if you really want to learn Linux use Slackware"
"No, if you really want to learn Linux use Gentoo"
"No, Fedora"
"No, Red Hat"

*someone recommends Linux From Scratch*
*someone recommends OpenBSD*
*OP leaves*

A lot of recommendation threads just end up as people showing off their own knowledge and achievements.
Yes, that last bit rings bells. The humble brag.

"You say you're looking for a "budget" option (and even include a figure, which I'm going to ignore). "Budget" means different things to different people and my budget suggestion is this model 10-20 times more expensive."

ANd

"Beginners generally need a more generic, simpler model to introduce them to this hobby, so why don't you try my favourite most esoteric and niche option?"
 
"Beginners generally need a more generic, simpler model to introduce them to this hobby, so why don't you try my favourite most esoteric and niche option?"

Yep. I've lost count how many times in recommendation threads someone has recommended the most advanced and complex version of whatever the OP asked for.

It's like recommending someone who's started to play the piano learn one of Liszt's Transcendental Etudes.
 
Let me google that for you since you couldn't be bothered to do your own research
This is a good one, often you want to ask a forum because you want some social interaction and hear some views not get the paid for responses of the Borg. Not knowing what you don't know makes research difficult sometimes.
 
"What you said you need isn't what I'm going to base my recommendation on. I will now explain, using terms you cannot understand. I will also, indirectly, mock your lack of spending power."
 
Funnily enough, when I made a thread asking what car, I think one of my own suggestions was a Mondeo. Someone else suggested a different car and that's what I went with in the end :D

I'd go for a silver car. I've had one for years, and it's been very reliable.

Avoid blue cars- my wife has had loads of trouble with hers.
 
you need 16gb 64gb ram and a RTX 3090 even though all you'll be doing is running league of legends and counter strike and your budget was £1000

nevermind you could hit 144fps on a 6+ year old pc
 
you need 16gb 64gb ram and a RTX 3090 even though all you'll be doing is running league of legends and counter strike and your budget was £1000

nevermind you could hit 144fps on a 6+ year old pc

Don't forget the Ryzen 5950 and £300-400 X570 of their preferred brand.

I'm not even joking, I've actually seen people make recommendations like that on this forum.
 
Someone has an hardware issue with a particular brand and they have to fight against the fanboy defence force denying the problem exists, blaming you for the problem and the whole you dont know what youre doing, how to use computers speech.

When someone has a GPU issue even when its within the warranty period and someone posts take the card completely apart and repaste it.

Questioning why stuff is so expensive while some other posters willy wave, backhand call your poor and/or entitled.

Buy A over B as when you do X,Y,Z and jump through all these hoops A matches or beats B by under 3-5%.

A gets completly destroyed by B when its around 5% or post semi misleading insert cherry picked copy paste benchmark spam from some random next to no subs youtuber.
 
Let me google that for you since you couldn't be bothered to do your own research

I loathe this sort of response. The whole point of a forum is written interaction with fellow members. I’d rather source opinions and knowledge from people I (sort of) know than rely on Google which is drowning in spam and fake reviews
 
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