The 5800x is now a viable price/perf CPU due to the price increases of the 5600x and 5900x...

[Richdog]

With the price of the 5600x rising a futher 10% to £330 and the price of the 5900x rising a further 15% or so to £600, the 5800x has stayed at the £420 MSRP and now finally has a more rational place in the lineup in terms of price/performance.

Calculations made with https://percentagecalculator.net/

• The 5800x at £420 is now only 27% more expensive than the 5600x for 33% more cores.
• The 5900x at £600 is now 43% more expensivr than the 5800x for 50% more cores.

So to summarize, with the recent price increases the 5800x has improved considerably in relative value, while the 5600x is now the worst value of all of the Zen3 CPU's! The 5900x is now only slightly better value than the 5800x.

This is a far cry from the release prices when the 5800x looked like terrible value in it's price positioning and I would assume is in large part due to the lower sales and surplus stock.

TLDR: if you want the best price/performance Zen3 gaming CPU then buy a 5800x before the price increases in line with the 5600x and 5900x.

 

[Mesai]

I think for the comparison over the 5600x it's a 33% increase in cores?

Media definitely lowered demand on the 5800x even though it was a bit of a poor argument. With the major 5900x delays, people who didn't actually need the cores in the first place realised that the 5800x is more than enough for general use and gaming.

 

[Richdog]

I think for the comparison over the 5600x it's a 33% increase in cores?

Media definitely lowered demand on the 5800x even though it was a bit of a poor argument. With the major 5900x delays, people who didn't actually need the cores in the first place realised that the 5800x is more than enough for general use and gaming.

Correct thanks mate, that was me being dozy in the morning (and the one thing I didn't use the calculator for, lol) and I have amended the post.

 

[4K8KW10]

£600 for the 12-core Ryzen 9 5900X is still the best price and if you build something now - better be it - it has double the cache size of the 8-core Ryzen 7 5800X and 50% more cores, up to 12 from only 8..

 

[LeMson]

Ryzen 3000 were around the £26-40 per core price point, 5000 seems to now be £50+

ouch

 

[Mesai]

£600 for the 12-core Ryzen 9 5900X is still the best price and if you build something now - better be it - it has double the cache size of the 8-core Ryzen 7 5800X and 50% more cores, up to 12 from only 8..

Almost £200 for 4 cores that you'll never use, unless you actually use your PC for CPU-heavy workloads - sounds like a steal And you get the added benefit of extra latency as the cores are split across 2 CCX.

With the money you save, you can buy a much better GPU.

 

[Richdog]

Ryzen 3000 were around the £26-40 per core price point, 5000 seems to now be £50+

ouch

Yes, AMD are certainly not trying to be any kind of value proposition in this generation! They are going for pole position... although I don't think they have had the available stock levels to really take the market share that they could have otherwise done.

 

[4K8KW10]

Ryzen 3000 were around the £26-40 per core price point, 5000 seems to now be £50+

ouch

Yeah, in some instances 100% price increase per core Very painful but if you build something for the years to come, somehow you can justify the new painful pricing.
Buy now and don't buy once anything new is being released.

 

[4K8KW10]

Almost £200 for 4 cores that you'll never use, unless you actually use your PC for CPU-heavy workloads - sounds like a steal And you get the added benefit of extra latency as the cores are split across 2 CCX.

With the money you save, you can buy a much better GPU.

Who told you that applications don't use 12 cores?

 

[LeMson]

5600x £55
5800x £52.50p
5900x £50
5950x £53.57p

I paid £160 for my 3600 which is £26.67, do your own folks

 

[Mesai]

Who told you that applications don't use 12 cores?

Anything can use 12 cores, doesn't mean they need 12 cores. Games certainly don't.

 

[4K8KW10]

Anything can use 12 cores, doesn't mean they need 12 cores. Games certainly don't.

Games don't but there is the Windows and all of its services, browsers with many open tabs, the more cores the better.

You suggested to invest in a GPU instead. Well, no, because in a year there will be GPUs 70-100% faster and your new purchased GPU will lose its performance and value extremely fast.
While your 12-core CPU will not be replaced by anything 100% faster for many years to come..


Also, a slower CPU means higher probability that your new game/GPU will get bottlenecked by it.

 

[Richdog]

5600x £55
5800x £52.50p
5900x £50
5950x £53.57p

I paid £160 for my 3600 which is £26.67, do your own folks

To be fair the 3600x is significantly weaker at gaming (1080p/1440) than the 5600x (up to 50% depending on the game), so if high fps gaming is a persons main concern than it's probably going to be worth spending the extra for the couple of years. There is no doubt that the 3600 IS stonking value though.

Anything can use 12 cores, doesn't mean they need 12 cores. Games certainly don't.

For the sake of your sanity, do yourself a favour and bung him on ignore. He is relentlessly myopic with his views and you will rarely if ever get any kind of engaging discussion.

 

[LeMson]

To be fair the 3600x is significantly weaker at gaming (1080p/1440) than the 5600x (up to 50% depending on the game), so if high fps gaming is a persons main concern than it's probably going to be worth spending the extra for the couple of years. There is no doubt that the 3600 IS stonking value though.

I was trying to remember prices for the other chips, it's early and cold though so >_<

Bit lost with intel chips at mo with silly naming, 10850k is £41 tho

 

[Cyber-Mav]

id be interested in a zen 3 dual core part that runs at 5ghz base clock for general office web use etc.

 

[Mesai]

For the sake of your sanity, do yourself a favour and bung him on ignore. He is relentlessly myopic with his views and you will never get any ind of engaging discussion.

I think I'll take that advice He clearly isn't very technical and just thinks more is better.

If your primary use case is gaming, a 5800x + RTX 3080 is significantly better than a 5900x + RTX 3070. You don't need a 5900x to run Windows calculator and a couple Firefox tabs.

 

[Richdog]

I think I'll take that advice He clearly isn't very technical and just thinks more is better.

If your primary use case is gaming, a 5800x + RTX 3080 is significantly better than a 5900x + RTX 3070. You don't need a 5900x to run Windows calculator and a couple Firefox tabs.

I ran Windows 10, tabbing in and out of Total War Warhammer etc to browse loads of tabs while viewing YT vids just fine on a 3300x. When CPU power is adequate then RAM is more important for smooth multitasking in this regard.

A 5800x will handle anything you throw at it, though a 5900x will of course be better at specific multi-threaded applications. At launch MSRP the 5900x was good value in the overall lineup, now with the increase it makes less sense.

 

[4K8KW10]

I think I'll take that advice He clearly isn't very technical and just thinks more is better.

If your primary use case is gaming, a 5800x + RTX 3080 is significantly better than a 5900x + RTX 3070. You don't need a 5900x to run Windows calculator and a couple Firefox tabs.

Now don't begin with the trolling.

5900X + RX 6800 XT is the best and +200 pounds is nothing - come on, you spend as much on more ridiculous things like shopping for food or clothes or other useless gadgets like the most modern and premium smartphone, etc.

You don't need a 5900x to run Windows calculator and a couple Firefox tabs.

Maybe you actually do need:

..run lots of tabs on a browser that constantly will be refreshed. Also some light day trading as well.

Do web browsers benefit from more cores?

Yes. Modern web browsers spawn a new thread (or sometimes several) per tab that is opened. Browsers are very multi-threaded when we use them in a parallel manner (lots of active tabs/windows open).

https://www.google.com/search?q=doe...j33i10i160.10662j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

 

[trawetSluaP]

Imagine trying to justify buying a 5900X to run Chrome LOL.

I got a 5800X for £380 from OcUK. Don't regret it. Handles everything I throw at it with ease.

Such a massive upgrade from the X299 system I had in terms of the platform.

 

[Mesai]

I ran Windows 10, tabbing in and out of Total War Warhammer etc to browse loads of tabs while viewing YT vids just fine on a 3300x. When CPU power is adequate then RAM is more important for smooth multitasking in this regard.

A 5800x will handle anything you throw at it, though a 5900x will of course be better at specific multi-threaded applications. At launch MSRP the 5900x was good value in the overall lineup, now with the increase it makes less sense.

Yea, and the increased clock speed on these new chips makes the additional threads less of an issue, but as you said, if you're doing thread-heavy workloads, it makes sense to go for the more expensive units.

Now don't begin with the trolling.

5900X + RX 6800 XT is the best and +200 pounds is nothing - come on, you spend as much on more ridiculous things like shopping for food or clothes or other useless gadgets like the most modern and premium smartphone, etc.

Not everyone can afford to waste £200 on unnecessary upgrades; some people have budgets.

A 5900x and 6800XT is what, £1,500 minimum, and only if you can find them in stock? I paid £1,050 for my 5800x and RTX3080...I think I got the better deal and without a hint of CPU bottleneck while maxxing out games at 1440p.

Maybe you actually do need:

https://www.google.com/search?q=doe...j33i10i160.10662j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

What average user day trades and to the extent that they require that many browser tabs open? We're talking ACTIVE tabs, not just 20 Tesco grocery tabs and general web browsing.

You're killing your own argument by talking about day trading and using your PC for work. That only satisfies a small user base.