*** The AdoredTV Discussion Thread ***

[JediFragger]

No sharing of sexual experiences on this forum please. There are kids lurking around here

edited just in case. Don't fancy a holiday!

 

[FoxEye]

One of the biggest problems with this thread, is that everything beyond, "I like/dislike AdoredTV" would be better in a thread discussing AMD/nV technology.

Ie, if Adored review RX Vega, then comments about his review would be better in the RX Vega thread, rather than an AdoredTV channel thread.

As such, I really have no idea how this thread can contribute to the forum. It's basically going to be "I like/I dislike him, and here'w why"... which is kind of useless really.

When we want to talk about Game of Thrones, we do it in a "GoT" thread - not a "Sky Atlantic" thread. It's the same deal.

 

[DELETED_195422]

I enjoy being tied up face-down and being done all sorts of things to, but it's my choice so wth

Lol, whatever rocks your world.

 

[Doobedoo]

edited just in case. Don't fancy a holiday!

Lol. I wouldn't mind a holiday. Anywhere hot and hurricane free sounds good to me.

One of the biggest problems with this thread, is that everything beyond, "I like/dislike AdoredTV" would be better in a thread discussing AMD/nV technology.

As such, I really have no idea how this thread can contribute to the forum. It's basically going to be "I like/I dislike him, and here'w why"... which is kind of useless really.

When we want to talk about Game of Thrones, we do it in a "GoT" thread - not a "Sky Atlantic" thread. It's the same deal.

That depends on the individuals it's very easy not to allow a thread to descend into nonsense. It just requires some restraint.

Without intending to cause any insult but just moaning about the thread rather than trying to contribute isn't going to help either.

 

[DELETED_195422]

I like AdoredTV. I've seen him call out AMD, Intel and Nvidia on their BS. It's all been justified. The only reason someone wouldn't like this channel is if they favour one tech company over another.

On a side note: Gaming is a complete and utter ******** just now. PC gaming has never been more boring in terms of tech, consoles aren't any better (and never will be) and then you have a ****-headed company like Nintendo with their schizophrenia behaviour.

Honestly, you can't win.

 

[Doobedoo]

Right so in my opinion the reason or part of the reason Adored made the video and why it's important is because.

Right now Nvidia have a huge market lead, they also have a lead in performance, efficiency and things of that nature. If someone asks the question "which gpu should I buy" the answer at this moment in time will likely be Nvidia. So yes Nvidia are currently the market leaders by far but you have to ask yourself is that a good thing?

Is one company having a monopoly a good thing? Is Adored justified in assuming that like Intel, Nvidia will be happy to decrease performance yet increase or maintain price levels year on year. It doesn't have to be Nvidia bashing it should however serve as a bit of a wake up call. The less Amd sell the less money they have to reinvest, with less money to invest we will likely continue to see bigger performance gaps until Amd are no longer a viable option. That much should be self explanatory.

The fanboyism needs to stop and instead be replaced with some common sensism.

 

[FoxEye]

That depends on the individuals it's very easy not to allow a thread to descend into nonsense. It just requires some restraint.

Without intending to cause any insult but just moaning about the thread rather than trying to contribute isn't going to help either.

Enlighten me. What technology news or discussion would be better posted in this thread, vs a thread on that particular technology?

I'm struggling to see it.

 

[Doobedoo]

No need to be like that mate I'm just merely stating that rather than moaning about it you an move on or contribute.

The title of the thread is AdoredTV so the content can be about anything in his videos, he has a few. How many have you watched? Have you even watched his latest two?

 

[FoxEye]

Right so in my opinion the reason or part of the reason Adored made the video and why it's important is because.

Right now Nvidia have a huge market lead, they also have a lead in performance, efficiency and things of that nature. If someone asks the question "which gpu should I buy" the answer at this moment in time will likely be Nvidia. So yes Nvidia are currently the market leaders by far but you have to ask yourself is that a good thing?

Is one company having a monopoly a good thing? Is Adored justified in assuming that like Intel, Nvidia will be happy to decrease performance yet increase or maintain price levels year on year. It doesn't have to be Nvidia bashing it should however serve as a bit of a wake up call. The less Amd sell the less money they have to reinvest, with less money to invest we will likely continue to see bigger performance gaps until Amd are no longer a viable option. That much should be self explanatory.

The fanboyism needs to stop and instead be replaced with some common sensism.

You seem to be suggesting that people should buy AMD (GPUs) even when they know the technology is inferior.

Frankly that's nuts. If AMD go under we can't automatically assume that will leave nV as the sole player. Some other company (Samsung?) could acquire IP or pieces of AMD. Who knows where that could lead.

I somehow doubt nVidia would be able (allowed) to buy all AMD's IP, such that no other company would be able to produce GPUs.

But anyhow, saying we should keep AMD alive at all costs is basically attempting to read the future in a crystal ball. If AMD produce inferior products, I would always advise buying whatever is superior. Keeping AMD alive no matter the cost, even if they are/become wholly incompetent, benefits no-one really.

The least biased/partisan advice is "buy whatever best meets your needs at the time of purchase". Don't worry about anything else. If AMD deserve to keep going, they will.

No need to be like that mate I'm just merely stating that rather than moaning about it you an move on or contribute.

The title of the thread is AdoredTV so the content can be about anything in his videos, he has a few. How many have you watched? Have you even watched his latest two?

No I haven't. My argument doesn't stand or fall on whether I've watched his videos.

If AdoredTV discusses anything - x, y or z - and we have threads for x, y or z, then why not post his vids/comments in those threads?

What's next? A thread for each member's personal opinion of x, y, z? "Kaapstad's Vega 64 review discussion thread." "***Official*** Gregster's 1080ti opinion discussion thread."

 

[Doobedoo]

You seem to be suggesting that people should buy AMD (GPUs) even when they know the technology is inferior.

Frankly that's nuts. If AMD go under we can't automatically assume that will leave nV as the sole player. Some other company (Samsung?) could acquire IP or pieces of AMD. Who knows where that could lead.

I somehow doubt nVidia would be able (allowed) to buy all AMD's IP, such that no other company would be able to produce GPUs.

But anyhow, saying we should keep AMD alive at all costs is basically attempting to read the future in a crystal ball. If AMD produce inferior products, I would always advise buying whatever is superior. Keeping AMD alive no matter the cost, even if they are/become wholly incompetent, benefits no-one really.

The least biased/partisan advice is "buy whatever best meets your needs at the time of purchase". Don't worry about anything else. If AMD deserve to keep going, they will.

I know it's a tough one.

I'm not saying everyone should, that's unrealistic especially if you have a g-sync monitor. At the moment AMD are not on par with Nvidia they are quite a bit behind and that is worrying.

They are getting a lot of criticism, and in many eyes it's fair to criticize them. They look way to long to release their products and they are barely keeping up with Nvidia's mid range gpu's. We know the issues.

Adored says that Amd will no longer be able to compete in the high end. That is a problem. If they can't compete then that leaves Nvidia all alone in that market segment. He shows you that the last time we had a huge increase in performance from one generation to the next was when their was proper competition between the two companies.

Intel have been under quite a bit of criticism recently {fairly or unfairly) for lack of innovation and a lack of performance increase, why? They have little competition until now.

Now what is wrong about for making video's or having a discussion about this? Who would want more more performance for their money? Who wants to pay more for less? No one can force anyone to buy one over the other but in the grand scheme of things having healthy competition is better for everyone.

 

[D1craig]

Is nobody mentioning the now obvious move from nvidia that they saw how good Maxwell was at overclocking so decided to add pascal to the tech tree so they could take advantage of it.

Just wish AMD had used the same plant for their stuff...

 

[Doobedoo]

No I haven't. My argument doesn't stand or fall on whether I've watched his videos.

If AdoredTV discusses anything - x, y or z - and we have threads for x, y or z, then why not post his vids/comments in those threads?

What's next? A thread for each member's personal opinion of x, y, z? "Kaapstad's Vega 64 review discussion thread." "***Official*** Gregster's 1080ti opinion discussion thread."

That's up to you or Kaapstad or Gregster or anyone else. No one has to like it or comment on or in it. It's a personal choice. Knowing the content of his material would help though before forming an opinion of whether it serves a purpose or not though, I would have thought.

 

[nashathedog]

My point is that you don't see any difference between pointing out the bad things that nVidia does, and "nVidia Bashing".

This is because you pretend that nVidia doesn't do things that are to the detriment of the PC gaming industry.

If there's something they can do that will be to the detriment of PC gaming but good for Nvidia they'll do it in a heartbeat.

I don't feel compelled to buy any of the current AMD offerings despite wanting to buy an AMD GPU for freesync. There's also the whole thing about their performance being 16 months late to the show that makes me nervous about investing into them. How long until a Vega 56 doesn't give me what I want?

I think you're looking at it wrong, It's RTG's current situation that makes me confident that Vega will become a strong product and remain their driver teams focus for next 12 to 18 months at least, So once the AIB's land if they're priced sensibly I'll happily jump on one to go with my Freesync monitor. The only reason I haven't already is because after spending £780 on a Vega 64 AIO that I had to send back I took a step back and as crazy as it sounds I let my wallet do the thinking and I grabbed the cheaper Nvidia equivalent to use until we get the AIB's.

Very understandable. Now why is Amd currently in the position it's in?

Lack of development money, You can't blame Nvidia for that, AMD needed to focus on Ryzen and did so.

 

[TNA]

That's how it should be, Vote with your wallets. Sadly the majority tend to not do that and here we are with overpriced card from Nvidia and now from AMD as well.

I have been. In the past AMD have had best price for performance cards so I had AMD cards for many years. I even sold my 4K Dell monitor and got a Freesync 4K one thinking it will go nicely with Vega. But after all that long wait AMD could not even give us 12+ month old performance to run 4K.

So I am left voting with my wallet and ordered a G-Sync 4K monitor. If one wants to game at 4K on 2017/18 games, there is no choice but Nvidia sadly

AMD made my choice very easy when they priced their super late to the game Vega cards the way they did. Lost a lot of sympathy from me. I hope they get their act together with Navi.

 

[Doobedoo]

Lack of development money, You can't blame Nvidia for that, AMD needed to focus on Ryzen and did so.

Bingo! But it's not about blaming Nvidia for it anymore than your to blame for climate change, melting polar ice caps ect. Nvidia is just doing what it is supposed to be doing.

All I'm saying is we have an issue, just like we know the ice caps are melting. So what do we do? Can we even do anything or are they to far gone to be saved? Adored thinks so but maybe he is wrong, maybe Navi will change their game like Ryzen did for their cpu business.

Being overly defensive about having a discussion is not the right way to go about it though, surely. We are a curious bunch us Humans.

 

[Martini1991]

I think you're looking at it wrong, It's RTG's current situation that makes me confident that Vega will become a strong product and remain their driver teams focus for next 12 to 18 months at least, So once the AIB's land if they're priced sensibly I'll happily jump on one to go with my Freesync monitor. The only reason I haven't already is because after spending £780 on a Vega 64 AIO that I had to send back I took a step back and as crazy as it sounds I let my wallet do the thinking and I grabbed the cheaper Nvidia equivalent to use until we get the AIB's.

It can be the driver focus all it wants, but what it offers in performance isn't new. It logically won't last as long because what it offers isn't new. Take an R9 290X. It's lasted a decent time, but if it had launched 16 months later, the amount of time it offered acceptable performance would be hugely diminished.

 

[Doobedoo]

^^^confused at that one mate

 

[nashathedog]

I have been. In the past AMD have had best price for performance cards so I had AMD cards for many years. I even sold my 4K Dell monitor and got a Freesync 4K one thinking it will go nicely with Vega. But after all that long wait AMD could not even give us 12+ month old performance to run 4K.

So I am left voting with my wallet and ordered a G-Sync 4K monitor. If one wants to game at 4K on 2017/18 games, there is no choice but Nvidia sadly

AMD made my choice very easy when they priced their super late to the game Vega cards the way they did. Lost a lot of sympathy from me. I hope they get their act together with Navi.

AMD got a lot wrong this time around, The worst of it has been how they have handled the situation, I thought about selling my freesync monitor to get a G-sync model but I'm not doing that, when it's time to upgrade my monitor again I might consider G-sync but I'm hoping AMD will have got their house in order by then, Plus I'm not on 4k yet and Vega does a good enough job at 3440x1440.

It can be the driver focus all it wants, but what it offers in performance isn't new. It logically won't last as long because what it offers isn't new. Take an R9 290X. It's lasted a decent time, but if it had launched 16 months later, the amount of time it offered acceptable performance would be hugely diminished.

I get what you're saying, I was looking at it in respect to whether it will do a good job of running my games not how much faster the competition will be, and once Volta releases Nvidia's lead will grow even more. Last time I was more concerned with the experience I got from my Fury and even though the 980ti, 1070, 1080, 1080ti and 3 Titans have all been faster than my card the gaming I experienced over that 18 months was very good, It was more than capable of running my games how I liked with a few tweaks if needed and it got top notch driver support too.
Currently the Vega drivers need time to mature, It'll be interesting to see how they are 6 months from now but yeah I get it, if you're into benching & stuff there's only one brand bringing their A game to the table at the moment.

 

[Martini1991]

I get what you're saying, I was looking at it in respect to whether it will do a good job of running my games not how much faster the competition will be, and once Volta releases Nvidia's lead will pull away even more. Last time I was more concerned with the experience I got from my Fury and even though the 980ti , 1070, 1080, 1080ti and 3 Titans have all been faster than my card the gaming I experienced over that 18 months was very good, It was more than capable of running my games how I liked with a few tweaks if needed and it got top notch driver support too.
Currently the Vega drivers need time to mature, It'll be interesting to see how they are 6 months from now but yeah I get it, if you're into benching & stuff there's only one brand bringing their A game to the table.

It's not even about benching.

Because of the amount of time Vega 56 performance has been offered by Nvidia, it means that level of performance will last less at being able to game the way a top tier card should do. One year from now for the Vega 56 will be 2 and a half years for the 1080. It's highly reasonable to expect a GPU to stop being able to max out games at that time frame, it's less acceptable at 1 year on.

 

[Doobedoo]

I get what you're saying, I was looking at it in respect to whether it will do a good job of running my games not how much faster the competition will be, and once Volta releases Nvidia's lead will pull away even more. Last time I was more concerned with the experience I got from my Fury and even though the 980ti, 1070, 1080, 1080ti and 3 Titans have all been faster than my card the gaming I experienced over that 18 months was very good, It was more than capable of running my games how I liked with a few tweaks if needed and it got top notch driver support too.
Currently the Vega drivers need time to mature, It'll be interesting to see how they are 6 months from now but yeah I get it, if you're into benching & stuff there's only one brand bringing their A game to the table at the moment.

This is another aspect that is not always taken into consideration just how well Amd cards age with driver support. Something else that Adored touches on in his videos.

Doesn't help with mind share though when upon release Amd cards are behind in all the reviews but often ahead after driver maturity. Too late though as the reviews and benchmarks have already influenced the buyer.

It's not even about benching.

Because of the amount of time Vega 56 performance has been offered by Nvidia, it means that level of performance will last less at being able to game the way a top tier card should do. One year from now for the Vega 56 will be 2 and a half years for the 1080. It's highly reasonable to expect a GPU to stop being able to max out games at that time frame, it's less acceptable at 1 year on.

Yep, they are almost a generation behind but much more in terms of mind share.

I wonder what percentage of total gpu sales belong to those that upgrade every generation or maybe every 2.