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AMD RDNA 4 "Radeon RX 8000" GPU Rumors: Navi 48 Around Navi 31 Performance, Navi 44 Between Navi 33 & 32

New rumors surrounding AMD's next-gen RDNA 4 "Radeon RX 8000" GPUs and their performance positioning have been revealed.

wccftech.com

GPU Architecture	RDNA 1	RDNA 2	RDNA 3 / RDNA 2	RDNA 4
Process Node	7nm	7nm	5nm/6nm	5nm/3nm?
GPU Family	Navi 1X	Navi 2X	Navi 3X	Navi 4X
Flagship GPU	N/A	Navi 21 (5120 SPs)	Navi 31 (6144 SPs)	Navi 41 (Cancelled?)
High-End GPU	Navi 10 (2560 SPs)	Navi 22 (2560 SPs)	Navi 32 (4096 SPs)	Navi 48
Mid-Tier GPU	Navi 12 (2560 SPs)	Navi 23 (2048 SPs)	Navi 33 (2048 SPs)	N/A?
Entry-Tier GPU	Navi 14 (1536 SPs)	Navi 24 (1024 SPs)	Navi 34 (1024 SPs)?	Navi 44

Erm? no.... Navi 32 (3840 SPs)

 

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Is this saying rdna4 has no high end?

It looks like they're saying all rdna4 GPUs are slower than a 7900xtx

What are 7900xt and 7900xtx owners going to do; switch to Nvidia or wait a few more years till AMD makes a high end GPU again?

Its been rumoured that RDNA 4 has no high end for at least 6 months, more and more seems to be confirming that.

Also, AMD's history.... R9 390, RX 480, RX 590, RX 5700 XT, and i don't think AMD have been happier and more comfortable than when they weren't chasing Nvidia's high end, they don't have the market share for it, no one likes expensive AMD GPU's, it doesn't matter that they might actually be good no one want's to see high end AMD cards, especially tech jurnoes.

So what's the point?

What people do like is their mid range, so stick to that.

 

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Nvidia fans are just disapointed there's going to be no AMD handbrake on the price of 5080 and 5090 cards...



AMD are doing exactly the right thing.

This work of engineering art was the RDNA 4 high end they designed, RNDA 3 was an iterative MCM design leading to this.

They have shelved the IP and scrapped the GPU.

So in response to you for AMD to put something like this on the market people actually have to be willing to buy it and pay for it, AMD know people aren't. so it will not exist.

AMD aren't just a protest against Nvidia...

 

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I've never seen AMD as a protest against Nvidia.

They make better cards IMO.

Having come off 8 years of Nvidia ownership to an RX 7800 XT i agree, in some ways they do.

I certainly don't find the way tech jurnoes sometimes speak about AMD to be remotely true from an actual users experience, the thing run's beautifully and solidly, it just works, my 8 year Nvidia experience had more inconsequential rough edges around it, it was never anything that really matters, niggles really, but none of that with my AMD GPU at all, its perfectly polished.

 

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I'd also like to shout out to Sapphire.

Sapphire RX 7800 XT Pulse.

The GPU its replaced was an MSI RTX 2070 Super Gaming X, in comparison the cooler is near twice the size and it had a step up larger fans than the Pulse.

Handling the Pulse its obviously not a high end model, that's the Nitro +, no lighting, plastic shroud, but still quality, its not that cheap brittle plastic, i'm not a plastics expert but its obviously a good quality plastic, a metal backplate and, this is rare on any GPU, the back side of the PCB has thermal pads joining it with the under side of that backplate, again you don't even find this on a lot of high end models.

To my _____ amazement this pint size cooler ran this 260 watt GPU cooler and quieter than the very much larger 230 watt MSI 2070S, sub 65c and inaudible, like 18% fan speed. even increasing the fan curve and pushing a 330 watt OC it was still cool and quiet, i don't know how they did that with a cooler that makes the card small enough to fit comfortably in a shoebox case but they have, and its their entry level model.

No doubt about it Sapphire are my go to brand with GPU's, the EVGA of AMD. For sure...

 

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That was first 'leaked' by MLID, so most likely bs. The render is by some other supposed leaker.

Based on patent IP block diagrams AMD submitted.

 

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How far along it got is up for debate, looks incredibly complicated so would be pricey to say the least.

It would be pricy yes, it would not be a budget GPU, but also probably awesome, its a 14 tile GPU, 9 of those tiles are GPU logic.

 

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Remember how when the highest core count CPU in any segment Intel could provide was 18 cores and AMD were up to 64?

That was only possible because of the work AMD put into MCM.

 

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I think the RX 8800 XT will consist of one, one of those 9 GPU logic tiles.

 

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They said a few years back they had some crossover with gpu and cpu people, chiplets coming to the gpu side etc.

Yeah, they do exist, i have one of those GPU's, but i think RDNA 3 is a stage 1 incremental MCM GPU, like Zen 1.

I wish, i really wish AMD would just make this thing, and charge £3000 for it if they have to, no one will buy it even if it crushed the 5090, i think they are right about that, but what a statement...

 

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People dont buy the AMD card because of lack of feature set parity to Nvidia and making a £3000 card will just exacerbate this problem. The Nvidia cards are better at RT, have superior upscaling which is more customisable and upgradable, runs cooler and is more efficient. Add Frame Gen, RTX HDR, DLDSR (really nice feature for games with terrible TAA), AI based freestyle filters on top of that and objectively there is just no reason to buy the AMD card unless you just want to support the under dog. Simply being 10% faster than Nvidia and having 4GB more VRAM doesn't compensate for the loss of these features.

I don't know why people keep saying no one will buy AMD even if they are faster. Just look at Ryzen 3D chips which have Intel on the ropes.

AMD needs to create compelling features for their cards, not just look at what Nvidia does and come up with an inferior version of that months later. Sadly this will never happen because AMD will divert the majority of its resources towards the CPU business and the consoles. The Radeon team will get scraps as usual.

Unless AMD decides to invest in Radeon and take it seriously like they did with Ryzen, people will continue buying Nvidia.

Mid range is also not a done deal for AMD. Blackwell midrange will be formidable considering RDNA 4 is weaker than a 7900XTX which in itself barely beats a 4080.

I consider Nvidia's lack of VRam a critical problem, it is a critical problem, if a card cannot run my games properly its flawed. I don't buy things that are 'inherently' broken. AMD can improve software features, I cannot download more VRam from Nvidia.

AMD were losing market to Nvidia while making better and cheaper GPU's, they have a history that is more than 4 years old.

 

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Also, i don't consider those features added value, especially on a mid range card, if i have to pay extra for them then i don't want them.

 

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One more thing.

AFMF is now actually pretty damned good. and its game agnostic, that trumps DLSS for me.
RT, the 4070 is only faster when you crank it up so high its unplayable on both cards.

 

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Is there anything fundamentally different that Nvidia users may have to turn down the textures a notch but enjoy superior image quality provided by DLSS vis a vis FSR? You can't even fine tune FSR on the AMD card. On Nvidia, you are not locked to the arbitrary 67%, 58% render scales like with FSR on AMD. You can change the percentages as per your liking and get an overall superior image over FSR. I personally think 67% render scale on DLSS does not look good and its only at 77% and above, DLSS really starts to shine but on FSR you are locked to 67% with no way to change it and it looks even worse than DLSS at 67%.

While you may not want those features, if the AMD and Nvidia card are in the same price bracket, the Nvidia card is perceived to be more premium by the average consumer because of those features. On high end cards, those features become mandatory. Hence, the 4090 on its own has managed to nearly outsell AMD's entire 7000 series lineup.

AFMF does not work properly with VRR and HDR unlike DLSS. That makes it a non starter at the outset. Also, Frame Gen adds a ton of latency and AMD does not have anything as good as Reflex bundled in. Anti Lag continues to be a work in progress. This is exactly what I mean when I say all AMD does it look at Nvidia's shiny new thing, develop an inferior version of that months and months down the line by which time the Nvidia technology has virtually cemented itself in the market and the AMD tech becomes an after-thought for developers.

Nvidia is constantly working to improve DLSS on a daily basis. Just last week they introduced DLSS 3.7 with Model E which produces a very sharp resolve for the image and in my experience looks superior to native TAA in many ways. And the best part is you can use this DLSS version along with the new model in ALL the games released till now. If you don't like Model E, you can always tinker with Model C, A , F and settle on whichever output you prefer. You cannot do any of this with FSR.

I do not see the same level of work going into FSR by AMD. It took ages after FSR 2.2 to get FSR 3 and months to get 3.1. Within that time, Nvidia advanced DLSS by a couple of versions already and the worst part is you cannot upgrade FSR on the previous games. Older AMD sponsored titles from 2023 still run on ages old FSR builds

Ironic that an open source solution is less customisable and upgradable than closed source.

I switched from 8 years with Nvidia to AMD.

I would only use upscaling tech as an absolute last resort, this is the problem with people trying a convincing argument as to why i should still be buying Nvidia, upscaling tech is a critical part of the equation, for me it should not even exist, you're willing to pay more money for a lesser card and then make back the difference with DLSS.
To me that's asinine.

Just buy the better card, for less and then not need it.

 

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7800xt/7900GRE vs 4070 Super - same story.

And £100 / £120 more expensive.

That is the cost of DLSS, no thank you...

 

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4070 super 549 pounds
7800xt 480 pounds (but is slower even in raster)
7900GRE 510 pounds (about the same - 1-2% doesn't really matter).

So is more like 39 pounds / 69 pounds - but for the later you do get a better card.

If AMD copy pastes the same strategy with next gen... nothing really changes.

You overclock your 4070 Super, i'll overclock my 7800 XT and we will see if you're still faster...

Also. Which one? I'm not buying one with a crap cooler, i got an ASRock Challenger 5700 XT with a crap cooler, after 4 weeks of trying to tolerate it i sold it cheap and went back to Nvidia, i'm not doing cheap cooler again...

 

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£549? what this?

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No thanks, i checked that one out on TPU, its hot and loud. The hottest, the loudest, are you serious?

 

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Cheapest from each one...
People in general will not push their cards.

Its 40 bds out of the box, its a ______ hairdryer before you do anything to it...

 

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Just because its the cheapest one doesn't mean it's the one to buy, its cheap, relatively because £550 is not cheap for any mid level card, because its junk.

 

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then add 10 pounds and get the next one.

The Zotac? Its even worse...

For reference the £480 Sapphire Pulse you linked, the card that i have, is 26 dbs. 20 dbs is silent, noise perception doubles every +3 dbs.

Tell you what, to save you some time the least expensive one i would consider, hypothetically. Is this one, even them i'm still Eragh?!?!?!?!

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