The collapse of Roberto Mancini and Manchester City?

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There seems to be a lot of talk linking Mancini away from Man City, as well as the fact he seems to be under a lot of pressure at the moment as they aren't performing too well.

Obviously with a team like City have, they shouldn't have any trouble overcoming these issues but it all seems like a terrible mess at the moment.

He's also written off their Champion's League chances for the next few years at least... why?!

Press nonsense, or could he be gone soon?
 
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Rumour mill going silly again. Always the same with high profile teams.

They'll bounce back onto track soon enough.

Throw in the rumour about Pep wanting the Chelsea job and it all starts again.
 
He's awful in Europe, he got lucky with his titles in Italy and he bought the title in England. Not nearly good enough for a top team but he was a step up from Hughes.
 
He's awful in Europe, he got lucky with his titles in Italy and he bought the title in England. Not nearly good enough for a top team but he was a step up from Hughes.

I wanted to say "a bit strong", but I kind of agree. I think it's a bit of a Pep Guardiola type of situation, where it's a case of "is it the manager that's good, or just the fact the team is so good".
 
I think the ones who should be worried are the rivals not city, if mancini leaves. A bettter manager with the squad and resources available to him would be devestating. Pepe to city i can see it happen, the first step has already been taken by signning Beriginstain.
 
He's a poor manager.

He was certainly a step up from Mark Hughes (Hush DM) but he's not the top European manager that Manchester City desire or need.

He was largely lucky in Italy, out classed and out thought in Europe (something that hasn't changed, it seems he refuses to learn and adapt) and last season won the title on goal difference with a majorily talented (and expensive) squad.

Some of us have said this all along :p
 
I always recall one manager saying the poof of a decent side isn't winning the league, it's keeping it. I wouldn't know this of course being a Spurs supporter.

What ever set back they have, will only make them stronger. Man Utd seem to be good at this.
 
I think the ones who should be worried are the rivals not city, if mancini leaves. A bettter manager with the squad and resources available to him would be devestating. Pepe to city i can see it happen, the first step has already been taken by signning Beriginstain.

The G man did say he wanted to manage in London, I have a feeling it could be Arsenal he was talking about, without actually talking about them.

I think Manchester City need a young and very talented manager who can build long term. They could always go in for one of the established managers and give them a lengthy contract.

What about Marueen?
 
For someone who has essentially been playing a real life game of Football Manager with unlimited funds it's not surprising that they won the prem eventually.
 
lol.
Crisis?
Considering how below par we have been in comparison to Chelsea and utd who many are raving about, we are only 2 points behind and I am very happy with that. Besides we haven't been exactly playing awful football and grinding out draws we have been playing decent football just not scoring goals to win games like v West Ham.

In Europe we have been terrible but some better finishing in both the Dortmund and Ajax games and we walk away with more points, better defending in Madrid and we get points also. Of course its all ifs and buts.
We have been really unlucky in front of goal this season compared with last season where seemingly everything was going in.

Also I don't know how many times I have to say it but don't believe what Mancini says to the media.

I don't see Mancini going anywhere soon and I hope he sees out his 5yr contract.
 
He made Man City solid, and contenders. Then he made them exciting, and champions.

He may not be the best manager in the world, but he's hardly rubbish. Especially when people fap over Mourinho, who's essentially done the same thing at four different clubs now.
 
To be fair your football has been gash this year compared with last, you have down graded your squad with Sinclair and them other randoms and clueless once again in Europe.

I disagree you are in a crisis, but Citeh could be a million times better with a decent manager.
 
Some better finishing in the Dortmund game and they really should have thrashed you silly, same goes for Real Madrid, the "what if" game works both ways. Ultimately on the performances City were well below par. Real Madrid had 35 shots, 35, to your 10, with only 12 on target vs your 3... Dortmund had 22 shots vs your 12, with 10 on target vs your 7... and their chances were often brilliant and had a particularly awful day infront of goal they played you completely off the park, completely.

The critical thing isn't ever the results , but the performances and key this season has been Mancini's reaction to said performances.... all to often his reaction is, 3-5-2 sounds a lark, we haven't practiced it(apparently) lets do it to relieve the pressure. 10 mins later and a further goal down it goes back to 4-5-1/4-3-3.

But the reactions are getting worse, he's had a go at Hart for merely saying the truth, he's had a go at Micah basically saying, you're not a top player if you aren't perfect at a formation you've never played before.... because Mancini is a moron.

As the performances(if not always the results) have been going badly, Mancini's reactions are getting worse, it starts off with a draw, and a "oh well, that was unlucky", progressed to a "we probably would have won but for player X", to "maybe these aren't top players". How did Chelsea, Liverpool, 58 other teams do with a manager who starts making excuses, starts getting upset in interviews, starts blaming the players. Do they bolster the squad spirit and produce ever better performances, or do they start losing the dressing room and performances get worse?

Chelsea's current win rate is 80%, City's current rate is 60%, 2 points might not seem a lot, but on current form that will only increase, City had a 75% ish win rate last season, they aren't close.

As for playing well and being unlucky, very few non City fans see it that way, City have been putting in abject performances. they weren't good against liverpool(who also had more shots than City), weren't good against Arsenal, were horrendous for 45 mins vs Swansea and again it was Swansea's poor finishing that got you that win. West Brom, a team without particularly great players took the lead and managed 17 shots.

Anyway, the main thing is Mancini seems to be going the way of Benitez, he's making worse decisions, reacting badly, throwing strops and what happened last year. Outside of scapegoating your best player at the time(or most effective game winner) for, what your club decided was not warming up a second time, when it looked like he wasn't going to win he proclaimed the league over and spoke to multiple clubs about his next job.... rather than stick it out put every waking second into improving the team he was looking to secure his next big paycheque. Then Utd threw away the title and Mancini plays the "I love this club, would never leave, look I have a blue and white scarf" sucking up to the fans rubbish.

He lucked into the league with the best squad by a mile, the fewest injury problems by a mile and the biggest self inflicted wound by a mile.
 
I think Man City could do better than Mancini and they are fortunate (cynics might say unfortunate) enough to be in a position to afford to chop-and-change managers at will (like Chelsea). The owners will want success in Europe sooner or later and if he doesn't achieve it in the next 18 months he will be shown the door.

One thing I really don't understand is why he bothers with Balotelli, he is too inconsistent (in every aspect) and a club like MC don't need to be slumming it with risky players, ship him out and get in Falcao or whoever.
(I guess on the flipside you could argue that they are exactly the type of club that CAN afford to take a risk on players, pay them £120k/week and if they don't turn out well nobody cares...) I was looking at the team vs West Ham and thinking WTF is going on, he's playing 3 strikers and yet Aguero is on the bench, Balotelli was throwing his usual strop when he didn't get a decision, a few stupid passes/shots, yes he has the spark and can pull off the unexpected but MC should be fielding 90% quality players not those fluctuating between 60% and 95%, to me at a club like MC Balotelli should be a bench player to throw on when plans A and B aren't working. Who knows maybe Balotelli has the potential to be a true world great but MC should be getting results today not in a couple of years time.
 
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lol.
Crisis?
Considering how below par we have been in comparison to Chelsea and utd who many are raving about, we are only 2 points behind and I am very happy with that. Besides we haven't been exactly playing awful football and grinding out draws we have been playing decent football just not scoring goals to win games like v West Ham.

In Europe we have been terrible but some better finishing in both the Dortmund and Ajax games and we walk away with more points, better defending in Madrid and we get points also. Of course its all ifs and buts.
We have been really unlucky in front of goal this season compared with last season where seemingly everything was going in.

Also I don't know how many times I have to say it but don't believe what Mancini says to the media.

I don't see Mancini going anywhere soon and I hope he sees out his 5yr contract.

Really ???? Who is raving about Utd, certainly not the Utd fans on here other than our performance against Arsenal.

Well, The ABU Clan of OcUK where to start, Utd could play the French team of '98 at dinner time and beat them comfortably, play Real Madrid at 3 and have enough left in the tank to turnover Barca at 8.00 and we would still be nothing more than stuffy, mediocre, bent, flukey, about average or insert your favourite footballing cliche

So I am not seeing too much raving for Utd im afraid.

City on the other hand look a bit jaded, Toure doesn't look the player he was last year
 
City should have gone on from this, with Tevez fully back and the confidence of winning the league they should have been unstoppable for 5 years at least.

Instead Mancini seems to want to make things much harder for himself than they need to be. It feels like he wants the pay off.

I wouldn't be too worried about the Europe issues just yet, they need to make sure they are dominating at home first. It's not like United have ever had a top drawer manager for european football and yet they have managed just fine at home.

If Mancini cannot turn this around and win the league again he should go.
 
Considering how below par we have been in comparison to Chelsea and utd who many are raving about, we are only 2 points behind and I am very happy with that. Besides we haven't been exactly playing awful football and grinding out draws we have been playing decent football just not scoring goals to win games like v West Ham.

In Europe we have been terrible but some better finishing in both the Dortmund and Ajax games and we walk away with more points, better defending in Madrid and we get points also. Of course its all ifs and buts.
We have been really unlucky in front of goal this season compared with last season where seemingly everything was going in.

The only shred of truth here is the first part, City fans should be very happy to only be 2 points off the top (or whatever it is), the rest though.... lol
 
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