The cost of monitors in 2017

So lets say you happily game at 1080p 60Hz with a Dell UltraSharp U2312HM, and an MSI 7950 3GB graphics card, but Vega is sounding tempting, as well as a 27", 1440p, 144Hz monitor with Freesync - how long do you wait until you buy, given the current market?

I thought maybe Freesync 2 / HDR monitors might push down the price off the £500 monitors but I'm getting the feeling from reading this thread this probably won't happen. Maybe Black Friday / Christmas will be the lowest prices for these I guess.
 
So lets say you happily game at 1080p 60Hz with a Dell UltraSharp U2312HM, and an MSI 7950 3GB graphics card, but Vega is sounding tempting, as well as a 27", 1440p, 144Hz monitor with Freesync - how long do you wait until you buy, given the current market?

I thought maybe Freesync 2 / HDR monitors might push down the price off the £500 monitors but I'm getting the feeling from reading this thread this probably won't happen. Maybe Black Friday / Christmas will be the lowest prices for these I guess.
I don't think I'd buy any of the current crop of 1440p 144 Hz monitors given the choice. Even the XL2730 has quality control issues (and is as expensive as the IPS ones). I was in the same boat as you but forced to buy due to my original monitor dying suddenly.
 
I highly doubt any upcoming new monitors will reduce the price of current monitors as pointed out in this thread, monitors either cost the same as they did 4+ years ago or more often than not are priced even higher and you just have to look at the upcoming monitors i.e.

- asus/acer 144HZ 4k HDR gsync with full array local dimming IPS will be starting at the very least £1500
- LG's "fake" HDR 4k IPS 60HZ freesync monitor is £960
- Dell's OLED 4k 60HZ is £3000
 
I am unwilling to pay a premium if it just means an excuse for marketing to promote silly pricing for select products that meet what should be a basic standard of quality.

Imho, the problem is that we're paying below the appropriate costs for a good item, and we have been for a very long time. The manufacturer's raced to the bottom, cutting a couple of pounds here and there and removing things "nobody will notice". Now we're stuck with an expectation of cost, and it probably is true that they can't shift a unit that is 25% costlier without a measurable metric (e.g. response time) that they can put on the label. To Joe Public, all 5ms monitors of the same size are identical. It's hard to explain to him about the polarizer you've added to reduce IPS glow.

If QC were better all around, prices would quite possibly be double what they are. I personally would prefer that, but apparently the global market does not :/
 
So have basic old LCD 27-34" monitors that already cost £800-1000 end up costing £1600+ just to have acceptable quality? And as a result in 55" OLED 4K HDR TV price territory? No thanks.

I have seen a ton of monitors and 10+ years ago, you would have had to be very unlucky to get a monitor with back light bleed as bad as most of the monitors being sold today.

If manufacturers weren't going for these slim designs etc. perhaps severe bleed and/or IPS glow wouldn't be as much of an issue.
 
G-sync alone almost doubles the price of the monitor compared to the non-G-sync counterparts. And they aren't selling as well. Potentially the pricing of other monitors is to make them look less unappealling.
 
Buy decent monitors like Dell UltraSharps and you'll be fine. I have 3 Dell UltraSharps at the moment and no problems at all.
Shame they don't do an ultra wide monitor that's any decent. But for 16:9 you can't go wrong with Dell, I enjoy it but I prefer gaming at ultra wide resolutions.

G-sync alone almost doubles the price of the monitor compared to the non-G-sync counterparts. And they aren't selling as well. Potentially the pricing of other monitors is to make them look less unappealling.
Precisely why I haven't bought one, I have money to throw away but I refuse to spend £1k on a monitor where I have to play a lottery for a decent panel with no BLB.
 
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Damn it! :(

Only just found out that there was an extra 5% of through top cash back for that 2016 55" HDR 4k OLED TV so essentially the price could have been reduced to £1376! Absolute bargain and makes these £900+ basic old LCD monitors look even more pitiful/laughable...

Gutted that I missed it :mad: Although given that the new 2017 models are being set up for display purposes in currys etc. today, hopefully it won't be long until they have that deal on again.

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I mean just look at this!!!!

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Stunning :cool:
 
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Damn it! :(

Only just found out that there was an extra 5% of through top cash back for that 2016 55" HDR 4k OLED TV so essentially the price could have been reduced to £1376! Absolute bargain and makes these £900+ basic old LCD monitors look even more pitiful/laughable...

Gutted that I missed it :mad: Although given that the new 2017 models are being set up for display purposes in currys etc. today, hopefully it won't be long until they have that deal on again.

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I mean just look at this!!!!

3QP7DU4.jpg


Stunning :cool:

It really is. Much better than the top QLED Sammy 2016 TV's.

I am still holding out another year or two though to get better OLED and HDR. My guess is in two years time 2018 55" model will be had for around £1000 just as the 2019 versions about to hit. At which point I will pull the trigger to replace my 50" 1080p LG Plasma :D
 
Damn it! :(

Only just found out that there was an extra 5% of through top cash back for that 2016 55" HDR 4k OLED TV so essentially the price could have been reduced to £1376! Absolute bargain and makes these £900+ basic old LCD monitors look even more pitiful/laughable...

Gutted that I missed it :mad: Although given that the new 2017 models are being set up for display purposes in currys etc. today, hopefully it won't be long until they have that deal on again.

EDIT:

I mean just look at this!!!!

3QP7DU4.jpg


Stunning :cool:

You do realise that will only look as good as the monitor people are using to view it? :P
 
It really is. Much better than the top QLED Sammy 2016 TV's.

I am still holding out another year or two though to get better OLED and HDR. My guess is in two years time 2018 55" model will be had for around £1000 just as the 2019 versions about to hit. At which point I will pull the trigger to replace my 50" 1080p LG Plasma :D
Yup definitely! Can't get over that detail in the face to the point that you can easily make out all the make up! :D :cool:

More than likely that will happen as OLED is on the road to becoming the norm for the TV market now. The 2017 models do seem like a decent enough improvement over the 2016 models "overall" but personally I don't think I can wait any longer, especially another 2 years... + the 2016 LG OLED's just got a new firmware (in Korea) and supposedly that has improved some of the motion issues, which people have had coming from plasma as well as some reports on better handling of black/shadow details.

The only thing I would really want on the OLED TV now is freesync and preferably even lower input lag but I think those 2 things won't happen until at the very least 2018/2019....

But don't worry, by 2019, hopefully most 27-34" monitors will have FALD and maybe only cost about £1000.... :p :o :D

You do realise that will only look as good as the monitor people are using to view it? :p
True but it goes give you an idea. I have a high quality version of that episode and have madvr with good settings and even on my plasma TV & monitor, it still looks nowhere near as good as that photo of the OLED does :p :(
 
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You do realise that will only look as good as the monitor people are using to view it? :p

You can still tell though, I'm watching it now on my ****** chromebook (764p and TERRIBLE TN panel) and it looks fisking insane. It's my next purchase for sure, I couldn't justify paying >£600 for 1440p UW but those OLEDs, np paying £1k - it's why I went with the 29'' LG. Absolutely banging for the price (£230ish).
 
Yup definitely! Can't get over that detail in the face to the point that you can even make out all the make up! :D :cool:

More than likely that will happen as OLED is on the road to becoming the norm for the TV market now. The 2017 models do seem like a decent enough improvement over the 2016 models "overall" but personally I don't think I can wait any longer, especially another 2 years... + the 2016 LG OLED's just got a new firmware (in Korea) and supposedly that has improved some of the motion issues, which people have had coming from plasma as well as some reports on better handling of black/shadow details.

The only thing I would really want on the OLED TV now is freesync and preferably even lower input lag but I think those 2 things won't happen until at the very least 2018/2019....

But don't worry, by 2019, hopefully most 27-34" monitors will have FALD and maybe only cost about £1000.... :p :o :D


True but it goes give you an idea. I have a high quality version of that episode and have madvr with good settings and even on my plasma TV & monitor, it still looks nowhere near as good as that photo of the OLED does :p :(

I am actually wondering, by having too much detail like as you see in his face, maybe TV shows will look worse as a result. lol. Great for Sci-Fi stuff, but seeing all the imperfections on the actors faces, not so much :p

I get the feeling even Freesync 2 monitors with HDR are going to be very expensive also and without HDR it is essentially Freesync with LFC as far as I can tell. So I may not bother holding my breath for such monitor and grab something else if I see a good deal in the mean time. Way I see it is, if I am going to spend big money on a monitor, it will need to be an 4K HDR 120Hz OLED one, which won't be available for a while yet.
 
I am actually wondering, by having too much detail like as you see in his face, maybe TV shows will look worse as a result. lol. Great for Sci-Fi stuff, but seeing all the imperfections on the actors faces, not so much :p
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Funnily enough I was thinking the same thing when watching stuff on high end hdr 4k OLED TVs and I think its even worse with sci-fi in there is no excape and you can "see" the special effects whereas with older lesser TVs it was all hidden.

Great for nature docs and animation though.
 
You can still tell though, I'm watching it now on my ****** chromebook (764p and TERRIBLE TN panel) and it looks fisking insane. It's my next purchase for sure, I couldn't justify paying >£600 for 1440p UW but those OLEDs, np paying £1k - it's why I went with the 29'' LG. Absolutely banging for the price (£230ish).

Yup that is a great price for the 29" freesync monitor, pretty much one of the few "correct" prices for monitors imo.

I am actually wondering, by having too much detail like as you see in his face, maybe TV shows will look worse as a result. lol. Great for Sci-Fi stuff, but seeing all the imperfections on the actors faces, not so much :p

I get the feeling even Freesync 2 monitors with HDR are going to be very expensive also and without HDR it is essentially Freesync with LFC as far as I can tell. So I may not bother holding my breath for such monitor and grab something else if I see a good deal in the mean time. Way I see it is, if I am going to spend big money on a monitor, it will need to be an 4K HDR 120Hz OLED one, which won't be available for a while yet.

haha true :D

IIRC, when blu ray was first starting out, a lot of the actors/actresses didn't like the idea of it due to it showing any imperfections/wrinkles in their skin etc. :D

But that is one problem with OLED (well not really a problem with OLED....), with it being pretty much nigh on perfect (especially if you get it calibrated properly), it will show up a lot of things that people perceive to be "issues" with the OLED tech, such as noise, banding, blocky looking areas (mostly on the black areas) that wouldn't otherwise be present or at least not as noticeable on lesser TV models so you really would be wanting to drive nothing but the very best quality content on it in order to mitigate some of those "issues" found in the "source".


And yup, like I said earlier, there is no point in hanging around for "true" HDR and/or OLED monitors if you have a set budget of <£1000, as unless the retailers take of their increased prices from all the returns and monitor manufacturers drop the price of monitors across the board and/or the pound suddenly goes back to what it was pre-brexit (which will not happen for a VERY long time, if ever.....), any monitors using good tech such as FALD to give true HDR support or/and OLED are going to cost a lot.

Also, those upcoming monitors would have to be taking the current top end monitors places in terms of price in order for the current top end models to drop to a new price but that won't happen either as these new ones are coming in at a considerably higher price i.e.

Current monitor pricing:

34" 1440 100HZ gsync 21.9 IPS - £990-1200
32" 4k IPS/VA 60HZ - about £600-800 (I can't see any freesync models)
27" 4k 60HZ gsync IPS - £990

New" upcoming monitor pricing:

32" 144HZ 4k HDR gsync FALD - £1500, more likely to be closer to £2000
32" "fake" HDR 4k IPS 60HZ freesync monitor - £960 (with dell producing the same monitors, price could drop to about £850-900 here though but not that it matters anyway as it is pretty much just a current/normal 4K IPS display with the hdr badge slapped on the box...)
Dell's OLED 4k 60HZ - £3000
 
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Funnily enough I was thinking the same thing when watching stuff on high end hdr 4k OLED TVs and I think its even worse with sci-fi in there is no excape and you can "see" the special effects whereas with older lesser TVs it was all hidden.

Great for nature docs and animation though.

I don't mind "seeing" special effects, but I know what you mean, especially on older stuff. This is another reason why I am in no rush to upgrade my 1080p Plasma. content just looks so great on it!

I recently watched Lawnmower Man again. Now that has some awesome special effects and VR :p

IIRC, when blu ray was first starting out, a lot of the actors/actresses didn't like the idea of it due to it showing any imperfections/wrinkles in their skin etc. :D

But that is one problem with OLED (well not really a problem with OLED....), with it being pretty much nigh on perfect (especially if you get it calibrated properly), it will show up a lot of things that people perceive to be "issues" with the OLED tech, such as noise, banding, blocky looking areas (mostly on the black areas) that wouldn't otherwise be present or at least not as noticeable on lesser TV models so you really would be wanting to drive nothing but the very best quality content on it!

This is another reason why I am not in a rush to upgrade my TV, the very best content is yet to come/is slow building up :)

And yup, like I said earlier, there is no point in hanging around for "true" HDR and/or OLED monitors as unless the retailers take of their increased prices from all the returns and monitor manufacturers drop the price of monitors across the board and/or the pound suddenly goes back to what it was pre-brexit (which will not happen for a VERY long time, if ever.....), any monitors using good tech such as FALD to give true HDR support or/and OLED are going to cost a lot.

Also, those upcoming monitors would have to be taking the current top end monitors places in terms of price in order for the current top end models to drop to a new price but that won't happen either as these new ones are coming in at a considerably higher price i.e.

Current monitor pricing:

34" 1440 100HZ gsync 21.9 IPS - £990-1200
32" 4k IPS/VA 60HZ - about £600-800 (I can't see any freesync models)
27" 4k 60HZ gsync IPS - £990

New" upcoming monitor pricing:

32" 144HZ 4k HDR gsync FALD - £1500, more likely to be closer to £2000
32" "fake" HDR 4k IPS 60HZ freesync monitor - £960 (with dell producing the same monitors, price could drop to about £850-900 here though...)
Dell's OLED 4k 60HZ - £3000

Yea :(
 
I don't mind "seeing" special effects, but I know what you mean. This is another reason why I am in no rush to upgrade my 1080p Plasma. content just looks so great on it!

This is another reason why I am not in a rush to upgrade my TV, the very best content is yet to come/is slow building up :)

Yea :(

When I say nothing but the best quality content, I mainly mean the best encodes/regions of blu rays, streaming services etc. etc. They all vary so much and vary from show/film to show/film, especially if you get encodes for TV shows.

Madvr is a very good tool that helps with upscaling and downscaling as well as removing some issues present in the source material i.e. banding, noise, ringing etc.

But yes, with 4K + HDR blu rays, there is still a lot of great content to come :cool:
 
When I say nothing but the best quality content, I mainly mean the best encodes/regions of blu rays, streaming services etc. etc. They all vary so much and vary from show/film to show/film, especially if you get encodes for TV shows.

Madvr is a very good tool that helps with upscaling and downscaling as well as removing some issues present in the source material i.e. banding, noise, ringing etc.

But yes, with 4K + HDR blu rays, there is still a lot of great content to come :cool:
True.

Do you think future OLED TVs will have better scalers/software to display non native material better, bit like what you described what madvr does?
 
And some 4k hdr players are very very good at upsacling bluray content to full 4k output like the panasonic 900
 
True.

Do you think future OLED TVs will have better scalers/software to display non native material better, bit like what you described what madvr does?

Not 100% about that as I've never really looked into it myself since madvr is the best for everything ;) :p

But no doubt future TVs will improve, supposedly the Sony's will be better than LG's for upscaling and as greebo has said, if you're watching content via blu ray discs, then it is the blu ray players that will be handling the scaling.

Either way, from what I've seen, I think for just upscaling/downscaling, most current TVs are already very good at this.

Also, the developer of madvr (madshi) has said that companies have been in contact with him so it looks like we could see madvr's scaling etc. algorithms on future TV's and/or blu ray players :cool:
 
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