The councils selling the family silver to pay bills

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After reading this, I think it has all designed to steal from the public

The more they sell, the less they are able to raise from income, rinse repeat.
If they are going to sell maybe locals should have a chance to buy.
 
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The government has done it since the 80s... hence the **** show that we are in now, this is minor compared to all the countries assests that's been sold.
Also if we had kept those assests, maybe the governement could fund local councils correctly.
 
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The government has done it since the 80s... hence the **** show that we are in now, this is minor compared to all the countries assests that's been sold.
Also if we had kept those assests, maybe the governement could fund local councils correctly.
Funny how people are too lazy in this country to do anything about it. Why many are starting to jump ship.

I was reading today the government wants to increase the amount people put into their pensions.
I guess they are thinking we get people to put more away, it would make it less expensive in the future or even do away with state pension altogether.
 
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Yeah. There's one thing settling things like old trophies and literal silverware.

Quite another to sell things like carpark that generate revenue.
That's one of those very short term things.

Seems broken to me.
You need to punish failings without punishing the public. That still seems an elusive balance.
 
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Among assets considered for sale, the BBC was told the city's 800-year-old Tudor House and Gardens was at one point floated as a possibility, as was the building which houses the John Hansard Gallery.

The council has now said it is no longer considering selling either building.

The BBC understands a list of assets which could be sold includes car parks and office buildings.

From the bbc article.

Personally don't think councils should own these assets in the first place. Why should a council own and operate a stately home garden or a museum or be a business/office property landlord?

A council's job is to run local services - waste collection, road maintenance, schools etc.

They shouldn't be owning (and the taxpayer paying to maintain) 800 year old Tudor manor houses. It's not efficient.
 
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The fall in spending power is largely because of reductions in central government grants. These grants were cut by 40% in real terms between 2009/10 and 2019/20, from £46.5bn to £28.0bn (2023/24 prices). This downward trend was reversed in 2020/21 and 2021/22 as central government made more grant funding available to local government in response to the pressures of the pandemic. Though even including Covid grants, the fall in grant income was still 21% in real terms between 2009/10 and 2021/22; without, the fall was 31%.

Meanwhile our population is aging, and the councils have to fund a lot of social care for their residents.
 
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Seems broken to me.

Probably don't have a choice - around here the councils have like £100m hole in their finances...

Albeit some money is earmarked so has to be spent on a specific thing but it is frustrating seeing them spank millions on vanity projects, town centre "renovation" and various road projects which don't accomplish anything and everyone has told them that, while other areas are going without the funding they desperately need, essential services getting cut and the council moping about being out of money.
 
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Probably don't have a choice - around here the councils have like £100m hole in their finances...

Albeit some money is earmarked so has to be spent on a specific thing but it is frustrating seeing them spank millions on vanity projects, town centre "renovation" and various road projects which don't accomplish anything and everyone has told them that, while other areas are going without the funding they desperately need, essential services getting cut and the council moping about being out of money.

I always assume the vanity projects are examples of corruption. As when finances are stretched, why do them? Especially things like statues that cost a huge amount of cash for aesthetics
 
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From the bbc article.

Personally don't think councils should own these assets in the first place. Why should a council own and operate a stately home garden or a museum or be a business/office property landlord?

A council's job is to run local services - waste collection, road maintenance, schools etc.

They shouldn't be owning (and the taxpayer paying to maintain) 800 year old Tudor manor houses. It's not efficient.
Maybe because it reduces the amount we pay in taxes, and traditionally the average council has looked ahead and thought about how a change will affect the people in the area much more than some investment group based in America or wherever whose only interest is how much they can get in the short term?

Our council sold off much of it's properties in the 90's, it's been renting many of them back ever since, meaning that they've paid out far more in rent than they got in the sales...

Also things like selling off carparks, council operated ones tend to be far more friendly to the user with things like PCN processes that are actually somewhat open and where the council has to abide by the law or get a load of bad press that affects them at the election, sell them off and you end up with either private operators who want every penny they can get, or the car park getting turned into a block of flats with no parking either for the flats or anyone else.
Same sort of thing with leisure facilities, councils used to own and operate a lot of things like leisure centres and swimming pools and would do things like discounts (or free use) for the local schools and swimming clubs, now a lot of them have been sold off, given a lick of paint and you either need to be a member to use them, or pay several times as much in real terms compared to what they used to cost.

It's almost like the private sector isn't actually always the best to be trusted with running things that the community relies on, and that it's a good idea for the council to run it's own facilities rather than rent them.

Also re Stately homes, often they were part of the property portfolios that used to be used in running the area, or were left to the council on the condition they should be either used for the public good, or open to the public.
Around my way there is a bit of a fuss that a couple of Heritage/Stately homes/gardens that have for the last 100+ years been open to the public have been sold to new owners who have closed them off, so historic buildings and gardens that people have been used to visiting for generations are now behind a closed door.

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And things like commercial properties, it's in the councils interest to keep the rents on them affordable so that they are occupied and businesses can bring in money to the area. Commercial landlords would, it would appear, often rather force a viable business out of the property and have it empty than accept a "lower than market rate" rent that was rather too optimistic For one thing if the council owns the property the rent is going into the council funds to help pay for things locally, and if the council is willing to look past the quarterly profits (something many commercial operators aren't) the local area gains from having more businesses operating, so the council may not be "maximising the profit" in rent, but more than compensating by having more local businesses paying rates, employing people and putting money back into the local economy.
 
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Our council sold off much of it's properties in the 90's, it's been renting many of them back ever since, meaning that they've paid out far more in rent than they got in the sales...

Social housing is different though, that is part of a council's core remit and so they should have held onto those properties. Renting out office blocks isn't part of a council's core remit.

Maybe because it reduces the amount we pay in taxes

Only if they are revenue positive. Do things like an 800 year old manor house earn enough to cover their costs?

Also things like selling off carparks, council operated ones tend to be far more friendly to the user with things like PCN processes that are actually somewhat open and where the council has to abide by the law or get a load of bad press that affects them at the election, sell them off and you end up with either private operators who want every penny they can get, or the car park getting turned into a block of flats with no parking either for the flats or anyone else.
Same sort of thing with leisure facilities, councils used to own and operate a lot of things like leisure centres and swimming pools and would do things like discounts (or free use) for the local schools and swimming clubs, now a lot of them have been sold off, given a lick of paint and you either need to be a member to use them, or pay several times as much in real terms compared to what they used to cost.

Agreed. I wasn't refering to things which are part of a council's remit, like your above examples, I was refering to things that aren't.
 
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things like "commerical" properties are often part of the council's portfolio because they were either built on land owned by the council, or because the council invested in them because they are good for the lcoal area.

For example a lot of one of my neighbouring councils "offices" that they own and rent out were built by the council back in the 60's and 70's for their own workforce, and council has kept hold of them to rent out because it makes far better financial sense in the long term than selling them off.
It also means the council can rent them cheaply to things like local charities, start up businesses, and in one case to an organisation that was running training courses to help people learn new skills (everything from hairdressing to computers and IT for the elderly).
With commercial properties it's often because the council own the physical buildings or invested in getting something like a shopping centre built decades ago, and know that it's good for the local economy and the local people to have shops nearby and by controlling those properties they can actually ensure that they are occupied even if it means they don't bring in the maximum per unit directly from rent (they can take the attitude it's better to have a smaller rent, but also get the business rates and increase the number of people visiting the area).
 
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It's particularly interesting with Southampton Council at the moment because a huge chunk of the £121m headline figure (£52m), is money they think they'll be liable for due to an equal pay claim.

It would appear that complaints and claims have been raised by certain departments within the council because the refuse collection teams were on 'job and knock' contracts. They could fly through their rounds, finish by 2pm and go home. So hour for hour, others have complained they're underpaid by comparison.

As part of this process, the refuse collection teams have seemingly been moved to new contracts that require them to work their full hours, so now they're plodding around, working to the clock and not finishing their rounds - I think my last recycling collection was about 6 weeks ago and general waste scheduled for Friday usually ends up getting collected Tuesday or Wednesday the following week now.

So not only do they think they're about to get slammed for millions in compensation payments, they've also ended up with a completely dysfunctional refuse collection system whilst trying to make things 'equal'.
 
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Our refuge collections in east Southampton are supposed to be Tuesdays, but they've been Wednesday pretty much every week since January... Was shocked when they actually came yesterday!
 
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Our refuge collections in east Southampton are supposed to be Tuesdays, but they've been Wednesday pretty much every week since January... Was shocked when they actually came yesterday!
A few weeks ago a collection was missed entirely. Had bags out for a week.
 
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From the bbc article.

Personally don't think councils should own these assets in the first place. Why should a council own and operate a stately home garden or a museum or be a business/office property landlord?

A council's job is to run local services - waste collection, road maintenance, schools etc.

They shouldn't be owning (and the taxpayer paying to maintain) 800 year old Tudor manor houses. It's not efficient.
exactly
 
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From the bbc article.

Personally don't think councils should own these assets in the first place. Why should a council own and operate a stately home garden or a museum or be a business/office property landlord?

A council's job is to run local services - waste collection, road maintenance, schools etc.

They shouldn't be owning (and the taxpayer paying to maintain) 800 year old Tudor manor houses. It's not efficient.

Council funding from central government has been reduced year on year. It is also inequitable in how it is allocated.

Eg https://ifs.org.uk/news/large-mismatches-between-funding-different-areas-receive-public-services-and-their-spending#:~:text=The most deprived fifth of,of areas receive 3% more.

The most deprived fifth of areas receive a share of total funding that is 3% lower than their share of estimated needs, while the least deprived fifth of areas receive 3% more. This pattern is driven almost entirely by local government funding, where the gaps are much starker (-9% for the most deprived and +15% for the least deprived).

Demand for care in particular is ever increasing with aging populations and costs of providing services are increasing.

The VAST majority of council expenditure is on care and education.

Councils are having to bridge the gap with commercial ventures.


It's unsustainable in the longer term without a significant change in funding. The examples in the OP aren't sustainable either, but the fill the gap in the short term. It's either that or filing a s114 notice.
 
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