Who cares?
The CPU won't be your bottleneck for a long time. The extra cores in the 5820k plus the lower price make it a better buy for that reason alone. If you don't need that then you stick to 4 core haswell.
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The CPU State Of Affairs........
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Who cares?
The CPU won't be your bottleneck for a long time. The extra cores in the 5820k plus the lower price make it a better buy for that reason alone. If you don't need that then you stick to 4 core haswell.
Whilst we might be approaching that, there are 18 core CPUs that are currently available from Intel if you have the money. Obviously the issue would then be software multithreading, but my point is that they are capable of doing a lot more than they put out in the mainstream/consumer markets.
It's relative, what is really happening is that progress is slow. Being able to stay closer to the cutting edge is just essentially celebrating the lack of industry progress. Your hardware is still as fast as it is (or slow) if something comes out tomorrow that's twice as powerful.
Where does this misinformation come from? My 5820k actually runs cooler than my 3770k did using the same air cooler at similar clocks. The Haswell E chips have a soldered heat spreader which is much better.
Also DDR4 prices are now very reasonable and nearly the same as DDR3.
Most 5820k's seem to be able to 4.4-4.5ghz at reasonable volts so even single core perf between a 5820k and 6700k is never going to be that different.
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Id say Dave, the next upgrade for Z170 owners will be kabylake, a refresh of how devils canyon 4790k was to the 4770k. Had a play with a 6700k system my nephew was building for a friend. Very nice chip, im impressed by how cool it runs compared to haswell/ivybridge/devils canyon. But as i had a 4790k it wasnt for me, i went sideways as i needed the extra cores of the 5820k for some video work. Clocked at 4.5ghz for games its every bit as good as my old 4.7ghz 4790k, but runs much cooler. I think any intel cpu from the last few generations is more than fine for gamers, it will always boil down to the gpu that you use. Id love to see AMD come out with a decent cpu, bit of competition. And i cut my teeth on pc's with the brilliant A64 939 chips.
Yeah I agree with this man, temps etc on X99 are good, performance is excellent. Will add that if your spending over £300 on a CPU, that money is far better spent on a 5820K VS a 6700K, as you get 50% more CPU. That's not to say Skylake isn't good it's just in that high price range X99 is better. 5820K is the best value performance Intel part in years.
When it comes to the sweet spot for gaming, Skylake i5 is tremendous value. For gaming only no need to look beyond Skylake i5. Tried them all, and can vouch for Skylake. Just if your spending sa lot X99 is the better platform, also Broadwell -E 14nm chips coming very soon for X99. Even more options.
Yeah I must say I was quite amazed at how much cooler my 5820k is over my old 3970x.
It came as stock in an Alienware with a pathetic little cooler on it that looks like an OEM Corsair H55.
To my surprise though I got 4.6ghz out of the CPU with a max load temp of 64c on the hottest core.
This is absolutely nothing like the review samples as all of them struggled to just about hit 4.2ghz with immense temps.
I think Intel have been quietly improving the manufacturing process and binning for 5960x. There's no other explanation for it really and I'm certainly not complaining. My rig is faster than my 3970x was at 4.9ghz which I was never expecting to happen.
It came as stock in an Alienware with a pathetic little cooler on it that looks like an OEM Corsair H55.
To my surprise though I got 4.6ghz out of the CPU with a max load temp of 64c on the hottest core.
This is absolutely nothing like the review samples as all of them struggled to just about hit 4.2ghz with immense temps.
I think Intel have been quietly improving the manufacturing process and binning for 5960x. There's no other explanation for it really and I'm certainly not complaining. My rig is faster than my 3970x was at 4.9ghz which I was never expecting to happen.
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I will stay with 4790k for a few years with a bit of luck
Id say Dave, the next upgrade for Z170 owners will be kabylake, a refresh of how devils canyon 4790k was to the 4770k. Had a play with a 6700k system my nephew was building for a friend. Very nice chip, im impressed by how cool it runs compared to haswell/ivybridge/devils canyon. But as i had a 4790k it wasnt for me, i went sideways as i needed the extra cores of the 5820k for some video work. Clocked at 4.5ghz for games its every bit as good as my old 4.7ghz 4790k, but runs much cooler. I think any intel cpu from the last few generations is more than fine for gamers, it will always boil down to the gpu that you use. Id love to see AMD come out with a decent cpu, bit of competition. And i cut my teeth on pc's with the brilliant A64 939 chips.
Yeh the 939 A64 days were indeed fun - I remember swapping CPU as often as I swap drivers today! Still have a few of them, a 2500+ Barton and my FX-60
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Well I've not long upgraded from my C2D E8600 so it's been a giant leap for me
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And hence the reason I am still running my 2500k 
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Likewise. I got all exited about upgrading leading up to Black Friday only to find that I was looking at £300 odd for a 10% performance increase.
Just not worth it for 1080p casual gaming.
I guess its more the premium of the product. As you have Intel or...Intel for a high end CPU. With CPU/GPU dies being one of the hardest if not the hardest things to make on the planet.
I'll be hanging onto my 5930k for a few years at least. Until something worthy of an upgrade appears. I guess there's also nothing like having top tech aswell. You feel somewhat left out even if there's 5% in it.
I'll be hanging onto my 5930k for a few years at least. Until something worthy of an upgrade appears. I guess there's also nothing like having top tech aswell. You feel somewhat left out even if there's 5% in it.
I agree with you. The X series offer the best value at the moment especially the 5820k.
Intel are in competition, with themselves!
Its a widely known phenomenon that people are not updating computers (especially desktop ones) at anything like the rate they used to. People are keeping hold of perfectly serviceable 5 year old plus systems or just using mobile phones and tablets instead.
This is costing Intel money. You will notice that Intel are hardly alone in experiencing increasing difficulty with each smaller fab. The lack of competition in the CPU market certainly doesn't help prices but I think the thought that Intel are massively sandbagging and could release a 50% faster eight core £250 CPU tomorrow are some what indulging in wishfull thinking
They could release a £250 eight core CPU sure, though why would they when 99% of users wouldn't use any more than 2-4 cores?
Gotta agree with this. My spending on PC has been so much less over the last few years.
My spending has been less because I won't spend silly money for a meagre increase in performance.
Thanks for the vid, very insightful!
Skylake has fallen a few quid since Christmas. There's a difference in price now worth taking into account, especially when you consider the price of x99 motherboards. That said, for a full mem/mobo/CPU combo, all things being equal price wise, and it was about a month ago, I'd go x99 all the way.