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Which has what relevance to the the post you quoted?
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Which has what relevance to the the post you quoted?
I don't wish to argue, but I think 99% is pretty far off the mark
I was obviously slightly exaggerating to make a point....but not by that much. There are only a handful of breeds that combine the hugely powerful jaws that lock on and the sustained ferocity of their attack.
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There are many, many breeds with the potential to overpower and kill a small child.
Capability and likelihood are two different things though and there are plenty of factors besides breed that come into it.
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My point is, one size does not fit all.
For example: I know several Labs/collies that are terrible around other dogs and their owners say that they have no patience with kids and are kept away from them as a result.
I also know a good few staffies and pitbull types as well as mastiff and mastiff cross-breeds that are brilliant with other dogs and kids.
And vice-versa.
Factors like early socialization and good training by responsible owners are much more the issue than simply the breed.
We can all cite examples to 'prove' a point either way, but it just isn't an open and shut case whichever side of the fence you're on.
Capability and likelihood are two different things though and there are plenty of factors besides breed that come into it.
EDIT:
My point is, one size does not fit all.
For example: I know several Labs/collies that are terrible around other dogs and their owners say that they have no patience with kids and are kept away from them as a result.
I also know a good few staffies and pitbull types as well as mastiff and mastiff cross-breeds that are brilliant with other dogs and kids.
And vice-versa.
Factors like early socialization and good training by responsible owners are much more the issue than simply the breed.
We can all cite examples to 'prove' a point either way, but it just isn't an open and shut case whichever side of the fence you're on.
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Staffies are generally fine with people, They are just curious and want to know who you are. Most people problems arise when the people get spooked and that, in turn, spooks the dog (This is much the case with any dog) But I would never let one off the lead if there is even the possibility of other strange Dogs being around.
It isn't even a case of them being aggressive. More often than not IME it is the other Dogs that kick things off, typically to their detriment!
On a more general note. For the last 30 years or so I have done work that involves meeting people at their homes and therefore meeting their Dogs. Over the years I must have met many thousands of Dogs.
I must have some sort of "Knack" because in all that time I have never had any problem with any Dog! Not once!
When I read of "Savage Dog Attacks" I do find myself sometimes wondering what, exactly, the people must have done?
I dread to think to be honest. My parents also have a long haired german shepherd that is scared of people. We think it is because she was probably beaten as a young pup by the breeder, yet can't prove it. Its siblings are all the same as well in temperament. The breed of a dog is only part of the issue, as the owner is also a very large contributor to that.
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@Orionaut +1
We get a lot of deliveries over the course of any given week and 99% of the delivery guys don't have problem with our dog, but there is one Amazon guy who always leaves the parcel on the mat and hides behind the gate because he's utterly convinced that he'll be attacked.
It doesn't matter what I say to him. He's actually told me that he knows better than I do because he's "been a victim twice".
On one of these occasions my dog was out there playing with the neighbour's kids at the time...
I'd love to know what actually happened on those two occasions and what his actions were in the lead up.
@James J
Yeah, I know a woman with a white GSD (rescue dog) that hates men due to it's previous owner who regularly beat it.
This poor dog has to be muzzled whenever it goes out and has actually lunged for me a couple of times.
Had it been raised properly from the start, it wouldn't be an issue.
We get a lot of deliveries over the course of any given week and 99% of the delivery guys don't have problem with our dog, but there is one Amazon guy who always leaves the parcel on the mat and hides behind the gate because he's utterly convinced that he'll be attacked.
It doesn't matter what I say to him. He's actually told me that he knows better than I do because he's "been a victim twice".
On one of these occasions my dog was out there playing with the neighbour's kids at the time...
I'd love to know what actually happened on those two occasions and what his actions were in the lead up.
@James J
Yeah, I know a woman with a white GSD (rescue dog) that hates men due to it's previous owner who regularly beat it.
This poor dog has to be muzzled whenever it goes out and has actually lunged for me a couple of times.
Had it been raised properly from the start, it wouldn't be an issue.
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Because they are the No. 1 breed of dog for KILLING or causing serious harm to children! FACT
Whatever...
Blame the owners and try and refute the numbers all you want. The fact remains, I'm not letting my kid near a pitbull.
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Fine, don't.
By all means ignore whatever doesn't fit with your opinion and turn it into a black and white story.
As for you C.R.A.Z.Y: Whooosh.
You're both missing the importance of the context regarding these attacks you keep citing.
And don't for a second try and make out that I'm saying these dogs are all absolutely harmless. That'd be just too predictable, even for GD.
Firstly, do you know the context in all these attacks? Secondly, why should I care about context? The figures are the bottom line. My argument is simply that I'm not taking the chance. I understand some pitballs might be big softies and their owners highly responsible. I don't care - I'm not risking it.
That's the last I'll say on the matter.
My Mothers Staffie in the 60's was equipped with a slightly loose collar made of leather with a small section of chain.
She was walked with a stick!
The idea was that If she got into a fight one would use the stick to twist the collar, gently but firmly, like a tourniquet, to make her let go.
Fortunately this didn't happen very often.
(Rather later with our more recent Staffies I went to great efforts to make them understand the command "Drop". IE I would get them all worked up in "tug" games but ensure that on the command they would instantly let go and withdraw)
Staffs along with a few other breeds (Rottys for sure) should be added to the banned dogs list in my opinion.
We should be following Switzerland on this important issue who are now after the horrific death of a six-year-old boy who was killed by pit bull terriers in November 2005 bringing into legislation the following rules on dog ownership:
This will undoubtedly save lives.
We should be following Switzerland on this important issue who are now after the horrific death of a six-year-old boy who was killed by pit bull terriers in November 2005 bringing into legislation the following rules on dog ownership:
This will undoubtedly save lives.
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I don't believe adding more dogs to the 'dangerous' list is the solution. All dogs require mature, responsible owners who are able to train and discipline their dog. All breeds can be dangerous in the right circumstances and while I accept that certain breeds can do more damage because of their size/power I don't think banning them is the right way to go about it.
I've been bitten 3 times, twice by Collie's and one by a Jack Russell, never had a hint of aggression from some of the so called 'dangerous' breeds and I come into contact with them on a very regular basis.
I believe strict regulation and licensing is the way forward for dog owners. You have to apply to own a dog, once relevant checks are carried out including criminal history checks as well as a reasonable one off fee of say £100. All dogs must be chipped and owners are required to present the license when requested by relevant authorities, much like the producer system that's used for car documentation for the police at the moment. Failure to provide/produce = hefty fine and the dog being siezed. I realise it would result in a lot of dogs being seized and quite possibly destroyed initially. Once the system had been implemented for some time I believe it would drastically cut down on the number of bad owners.
I've been bitten 3 times, twice by Collie's and one by a Jack Russell, never had a hint of aggression from some of the so called 'dangerous' breeds and I come into contact with them on a very regular basis.
I believe strict regulation and licensing is the way forward for dog owners. You have to apply to own a dog, once relevant checks are carried out including criminal history checks as well as a reasonable one off fee of say £100. All dogs must be chipped and owners are required to present the license when requested by relevant authorities, much like the producer system that's used for car documentation for the police at the moment. Failure to provide/produce = hefty fine and the dog being siezed. I realise it would result in a lot of dogs being seized and quite possibly destroyed initially. Once the system had been implemented for some time I believe it would drastically cut down on the number of bad owners.
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Yep it's a great idea & they should make the dog suffer a very painful death as well. They should make a dog license £1000 a year for all dogs.
lol i totally agree.
It will take years for this to sink into peoples minds but its a step in the right direction.
Want a dog get a bloody Labrador not one thats been selectively bread to bite, clamp on, crush and shred small animals/peoples faces off.
all dogs can be dangerous, so are cars, people, all animals (even a fly migh kill you via disease)...
I vote to total scorched earth, and say we fund a project to make one uber nuker to crack the planet open and exerminate all life. You will only kill 7 billion people which in the long run will be a lower figure than all the people that would ever be killed had the project not been undertaken...
I vote to total scorched earth, and say we fund a project to make one uber nuker to crack the planet open and exerminate all life. You will only kill 7 billion people which in the long run will be a lower figure than all the people that would ever be killed had the project not been undertaken...