The DRM AACS revolt with digg.

Psyk said:
But so is piracy. There has to be a middle ground where people are free to do what they want with things they have paid for, but people who haven't paid for it don't get it for free.
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I don't think that's ever going to happen.

You have to chose the lesser of the two evils. I happen to think that no DRM is better than DRM.
 
is DRM the thing that means I have to burn stuff I buy off iTunes to CD-RW, then rip it again and burn it to a CD-R so that it will play in a CD-Player? if it is, it's really annoying and stops me buying more music off itunes than I do.

or is that something different?
 
Rebelius said:
is DRM the thing that means I have to burn stuff I buy off iTunes to CD-RW, then rip it again and burn it to a CD-R so that it will play in a CD-Player? if it is, it's really annoying and stops me buying more music off itunes than I do.

or is that something different?
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Yes, that is one implementation of Digital Rights Management technology.

I might, however, point out that it is not so much Apple who are in favour of DRM — it is the record labels and such who are fond of this technology, and the distributors have very little say in the matter, especially when failing to appease a major record label can result in an awful lot of lost business...
 
Rebelius said:
is DRM the thing that means I have to burn stuff I buy off iTunes to CD-RW, then rip it again and burn it to a CD-R so that it will play in a CD-Player? if it is, it's really annoying and stops me buying more music off itunes than I do.

or is that something different?
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Yup that's DRM.

DRM stands for digital rights management and is basically the corporate term for the restriction of rights of access to media, i.e. attempting to stop 'unauthorised' people from listening to music/watching videos.
 
and in the process they stop authorised people from listening/watching, turning them to piracy? that sounds like great business.

What does DRM in HD-DVDs actually do? stop you from being able to rip them to your hard drive or something?
 
Rebelius said:
and in the process they stop authorised people from listening/watching, turning them to piracy? that sounds like great business.

What does DRM in HD-DVDs actually do? stop you from being able to rip them to your hard drive or something?
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basicaly
if ANY part of your hardware config does not comply (even the cable from your PC to your monitor) you can't play the HD-DVD.
 
VeNT said:
basicaly
if ANY part of your hardware config does not comply (even the cable from your PC to your monitor) you can't play the HD-DVD.
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Yup the film studios want to make sure we only play their films on the screens they want us to. So much for freedom.
 
Yes those of you with monitors/tvs that can easily display HD Resolutions can't because they don't have the Hollywood Plug ala HDMI.

This is what a lot of the fuss is about.
 
So now that the code is out will it be possible to make a player that allows you to play legit HDVDs on computers that don't have the specified cables? Or is it just for people who'll be copying them/downloading?

Also I heard copied hdvds had been floating around the internet for ages, how was that possible without this code?
 
penski said:
trust me...in the grand scheme of things on bme/modblog...its not. at all.

*n
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Aye, my buddy has an account and I had a little looksee around.. Dagn.... Nowt wrong with it of course, but jesus. I honestly think I'd die of a heart attack if I were to undergo half of the procedures on modblog.
 
yak.h'cir said:
So now that the code is out will it be possible to make a player that allows you to play legit HDVDs on computers that don't have the specified cables? Or is it just for people who'll be copying them/downloading?

Also I heard copied hdvds had been floating around the internet for ages, how was that possible without this code?
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Yes say you own a bluray and want to play it on your hdmi-less monitor, you would need to get rid of the aacs protection.

The processing key has already been out for awhile now but before that they were ripping discs with other lower down keys that did the job also.
 
Ahh, sounds like a good win for the consumer as well as the pirates then!


So this is like the master key that will crack all of the movies? Can it be changed on future releases or would all legit HDVD players also have to be updated for this to work?

I haven't got into any of the high def stuff yet becasue I was waiting for all the teething problems to be done away with, the major one cracking any stupid protection they put on it!!!
 
yak.h'cir said:
Ahh, sounds like a good win for the consumer as well as the pirates then!


So this is like the master key that will crack all of the movies? Can it be changed on future releases or would all legit HDVD players also have to be updated for this to work?

I haven't got into any of the high def stuff yet becasue I was waiting for all the teething problems to be done away with, the major one cracking any stupid protection they put on it!!!
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All the discs released thus far can be circumvented.

They are to change the keys for the discs made after april 23rd so I hear. None have arrived yet, but when they do a new "master" key will be needed. I think the hackers will go for a key on a standalone player next as revoking that would cause an uproar to all the consumers who bought it.
 
Ok, little bit closer to understanding now thank you!

So the HDVD people can change the master key, and all standalone players will still play the disks, since each brand of player have their own key programmed into the discs too. So if this key were broken it would mean the only way for the hdvd people to make the HDVDs copy 'proof' again would be to change that key and render all the standalone players who used that key useless. i.e. they wouldn't really be able to do anything about it.


Seeing as the key does seem to have been broken relatively quickly, and now its been done once it must be much easier to do it again whats the point of spending so much money on the DRM? It's going to be broken either way it seems!
 
yak.h'cir said:
Ok, little bit closer to understanding now thank you!

So the HDVD people can change the master key, and all standalone players will still play the disks, since each brand of player have their own key programmed into the discs too. So if this key were broken it would mean the only way for the hdvd people to make the HDVDs copy 'proof' again would be to change that key and render all the standalone players who used that key useless. i.e. they wouldn't really be able to do anything about it.


Seeing as the key does seem to have been broken relatively quickly, and now its been done once it must be much easier to do it again whats the point of spending so much money on the DRM? It's going to be broken either way it seems!
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The distributors won't see it that way, they will leave it on just to annoy the public who actually BUY the proper medium, just like they do with DVD's now... :(
 
wush said:
I don't agree with the DRM and I'm glad it has been cracked. But it's just like when people turn a protest in to a looting free for all.
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Who is turning it into a looting free for all? I imagine half the people who are posting that code don't even have HD-DVD discs. You are coming across as a corporate drone.

Unjust or unfair laws are only changed by (enough) people prepared to break that law.
 
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