The end of THREADRIPPER?

[pmc25]

Oh boo hoo, I misremembered and though all Threadripper 1000 was August 31st, not August 10th for the 1950X. Such pedantry is entirely not the point we were discussing, but well done in being day accurate; I'm sure I have an internet cookie for you somewhere.

Now if the channel is still saying August this year then great. But that's still not weeks, is it.

As an aside, if the channel is saying August, then we better be getting some X499 board leaks soon.

You continue to troll. It's completely irrelevant how long the launch was after Ryzen in the past. Launch has been the same time for both Zen and Zen+ TR4. Barring major problems, it will be exactly the same this time.

Also, there's every chance it's teased at E3, as it was in 2017. That's 13 days away. Probably depends how confident they are of hitting August rather than September.

 

[LePhuronn]

Continue to troll? I think you need to look up what "troll" means. All I said was countering the point that Threadripper is "a few weeks away". It's not. It's months away. It doesn't matter if it launches in August like previous years or 5 months after Ryzen like previous years, it's still not weeks. You wanted pedantry, I gave you pedantry.

Now can we get back to something a little more topical, please?

 

[Freddie1980]

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[IT Troll]

It looks like this thread can now be closed.

The end of the end of the Threadripper thread.

 

[Deleted member 66701]

Will I be at any major disadvantage keeping my X370 Crosshair board but using one of these newer CPUs?

I'd say putting a threadripper in an x370 would put you at a major disadvantage, yes.

 

[Vince]

I'd say putting a threadripper in an x370 would put you at a major disadvantage, yes.

"Honey I shrunk the CPU!" - Classic new movie at a cinema near you!

Weirdly something that never occured to me was that TR4 is a 4094 pin socket vs 1331 pins of the AM4 so TR4 is like 3 times larger! Ill never be able to go back to such a puny CPU now, I recently sold a load of Intel CPU's and every time I see one of those tiny little things i'm like, "you call that a cpu"

 

[Gtiracer]

"Honey I shrunk the CPU!" - Classic new movie at a cinema near you!

Weirdly something that never occured to me was that TR4 is a 4094 pin socket vs 1331 pins of the AM4 so TR4 is like 3 times larger! Ill never be able to go back to such a puny CPU now, I recently sold a load of Intel CPU's and every time I see one of those tiny little things i'm like, "you call that a cpu"

Yes it isn't quite what I was getting at fellas, I had read about the new Am4 CPUs coming and was referring to those, just happened to choose the wrong thread to post in

 

[Deleted member 66701]

, just happened to choose the wrong thread to post in

We noticed

 

[Journey]

Just received a nice mail from Tyan about a query I had with regards to forward compatibility before I integrate one of their TR4 boards in to a design I am doing

"Our current S8020AGM2NR-EX motherboard can support only the Threadripper 2990WX(32 cores) cpu
and PCIe Gen. 3 while Threadripper 3000 series cpu is designed for the motherboard with PCIe Gen. 4 support."

I can't post much more of the e-mail but needless to say TR4 (x499) isn't far off, and will be here before you'd think.

 

[Cromulent]

I'm waiting for the new Threadripper CPU to come out. Should be good.

 

[Deleted member 209350]

64 cores I hope

 

[LePhuronn]

64 cores I hope

Don't see it happening this time. That will require 8 of the 2nd-best binned chiplets per product.

I suggested on the Ryzen thread as part of a different discussion that arguably the 3950X could hamper the availability of the 3800X, given that for every 3950X available that's 2 3800Xs not sold, so there would be a juggle going on with chiplet stock. Now as Threadripper traditionally has the same, or slightly better, clocks as the top-end desktop Ryzen, a 64 core TR would require 8 of those same chiplets going into the 3950X and 3800X, and therefore for every 64 core TR available that's 8 3800Xs not sold. That's a big chunk out of the inventory for high-volume mainstream parts.

I think for this generation 48 cores is a sufficient uplift over the previous generation, and 48 Zen 2 cores will absolutely destroy anything Intel can even dream of.

That being said, the 2990WX actually doesn't have the highest clocks of the Zen+ family, so AMD could take a bunch of 8 core chiplets that don't clock particularly well (say, 4.3GHz boost) and smash those into a 64 core package.

I think the notion of Threadripper requiring the best silicon is no longer relevant, I've regularly suggested a 32 core, 4.6GHz boost Threadripper can be made up of comparatively "junk" chiplets yet is a monster greater than the sum of its parts.

 

[Deleted member 209350]

Don't see it happening this time. That will require 8 of the 2nd-best binned chiplets per product.

I suggested on the Ryzen thread as part of a different discussion that arguably the 3950X could hamper the availability of the 3800X, given that for every 3950X available that's 2 3800Xs not sold, so there would be a juggle going on with chiplet stock. Now as Threadripper traditionally has the same, or slightly better, clocks as the top-end desktop Ryzen, a 64 core TR would require 8 of those same chiplets going into the 3950X and 3800X, and therefore for every 64 core TR available that's 8 3800Xs not sold. That's a big chunk out of the inventory for high-volume mainstream parts.

I think for this generation 48 cores is a sufficient uplift over the previous generation, and 48 Zen 2 cores will absolutely destroy anything Intel can even dream of.

That being said, the 2990WX actually doesn't have the highest clocks of the Zen+ family, so AMD could take a bunch of 8 core chiplets that don't clock particularly well (say, 4.3GHz boost) and smash those into a 64 core package.

I think the notion of Threadripper requiring the best silicon is no longer relevant, I've regularly suggested a 32 core, 4.6GHz boost Threadripper can be made up of comparatively "junk" chiplets yet is a monster greater than the sum of its parts.

I see where you're coming from, but if TR is to be released relatively soon then I think its entirely possible as the 8c chiplets being used in the 3800x and the 3950x are NOT the best ones. The best ones are probably the ones that hit 5ghz in the leaks, so isn't it likely they will be used for that?

 

[LePhuronn]

I see where you're coming from, but if TR is to be released relatively soon then I think its entirely possible as the 8c chiplets being used in the 3800x and the 3950x are NOT the best ones. The best ones are probably the ones that hit 5ghz in the leaks, so isn't it likely they will be used for that?

It's entirely possible. Right here, right now I don't think TSMC's yields are getting 5GHz capable chiplets (at least within the realms of acceptable cooling methods and voltages) which is why AMD's 2-fingered salute to Intel was the 16 core, rather than a 5GHz 8 or 12 core (which would certainly shut up a lot of the Intel fanbois still claiming gaming dominance).

So yes, the best is yet to come, but I still don't see them being plopped into a Threadripper, at least not at first. Get the yields up so 8 core chiplets are more common so there's a bigger stock to start sifting through for 5GHz capable ones after EPYC has had the most power-efficient selection, then I personally would do 5GHz Black Editions of the 3800, 3900 and 3950 for more kudos, mind share and profit before ramping Threadripper up to 5GHz. If a 5GHz Threadripper is even required.

 

[Deleted member 209350]

It's entirely possible. Right here, right now I don't think TSMC's yields are getting 5GHz capable chiplets (at least within the realms of acceptable cooling methods and voltages) which is why AMD's 2-fingered salute to Intel was the 16 core, rather than a 5GHz 8 or 12 core (which would certainly shut up a lot of the Intel fanbois still claiming gaming dominance).

So yes, the best is yet to come, but I still don't see them being plopped into a Threadripper, at least not at first. Get the yields up so 8 core chiplets are more common so there's a bigger stock to start sifting through for 5GHz capable ones after EPYC has had the most power-efficient selection, then I personally would do 5GHz Black Editions of the 3800, 3900 and 3950 for more kudos, mind share and profit before ramping Threadripper up to 5GHz. If a 5GHz Threadripper is even required.

Yeah fair enough, we will literally just need to wait and see. Though the bare minimum core count I see coming for a threadripper has to be 48, especially that mainstream desktop chips have hit 16c, it would seem a bit silly not to push the limit of TR up too

 

[LePhuronn]

Yeah fair enough, we will literally just need to wait and see. Though the bare minimum core count I see coming for a threadripper has to be 48, especially that mainstream desktop chips have hit 16c, it would seem a bit silly not to push the limit of TR up too

I see 3 SKUs this time around with 24 (4x6c), 32 (8x4c) and 48 (8x6c) cores. The 3950X at $750 doesn't leave room for an entry-level 16 core Threadripper IMO, but there is room for a 64 core SKU at the very top.

AMD have naffed up their naming though what do we call a Threadripper now that Ryzen uses 39xx? x9xx was always Threadripper, and is the WX suffix enough to properly differentiate between desktop Ryzen and Threadripper?

 

[Deleted member 209350]

I see 3 SKUs this time around with 24 (4x6c), 32 (8x4c) and 48 (8x6c) cores. The 3950X at $750 doesn't leave room for an entry-level 16 core Threadripper IMO, but there is room for a 64 core SKU at the very top.

AMD have naffed up their naming though what do we call a Threadripper now that Ryzen uses 39xx? x9xx was always Threadripper, and is the WX suffix enough to properly differentiate between desktop Ryzen and Threadripper?

Yeah thats what I see as well, a 24, 32 and 48 and at the very top end possibly a 64!

No idea what they'll be calling their threadripper's, they really have messed up the naming convention! It'll have to be something completely new

 

[LePhuronn]

Strickly speaking we do have 3960WX, 3970WX, 3980WX and 3990WX, but that's just not different enough from 3900X and 3950X for my money.

 

[Deleted member 209350]

Strickly speaking we do have 3960WX, 3970WX, 3980WX and 3990WX, but that's just not different enough from 3900X and 3950X for my money.

Yeah far too familiar if you ask me.

maybe go to single digits 3wx 4wx and 5wx hahaha

 

[LePhuronn]

3000WX24
3000WX32
3000WX48
3000WX64

Hell, why not?