Prison doesn't deter people from committing that sort of crime anyway, neither does the death penalty, because the people that commit these sorts of crimes don't think correctly, either through nature or nurture.
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Prison doesn't deter people from committing that sort of crime anyway, neither does the death penalty, because the people that commit these sorts of crimes don't think correctly, either through nature or nurture.
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These pro-death penalty arguments are so boring.
Why can't people just get over the fact that its been gone for decades in this country, its not coming back, the majority don't want it and it doesn't work.
Why can't people just get over the fact that its been gone for decades in this country, its not coming back, the majority don't want it and it doesn't work.
It's a hard situation to be in for anyone.
I was watching a show on Bravo recently about Policing in Thaliand. They did a special on foreigners who had been convicted and were serving in Thai prisons. One Aussie who had been caught as a major dealer had already served three years, but there had yet to be a decision on whether he was to be executed. When he was finally summoned to court, they had decided to execute two Thai men the week before, so he was very fearful they were going to use him to send a message.
However, the judge decided not to execute him, and he would most likely be remaining still in the prison for the rest of his life, however he seemed a lot more relived at that than being put to death.
But according to the polls 51% of adults in this country DO want it brought back. Or did the program make that part up too? I figured that part was real as why else make the program? Arguably it does work, as the re-offending rate is zero. But I'm not sure how much sleep I'd get at night over miscarriages of justice.
The reoffending rate of whole life sentences is zero, the reoffending rate of a good rehabilitative prison sentence with good parole process is very nearly zero for the sort of crimes the death penalty would be used for. Indeed murder and sexual offenses have some of the lowest recidivism rates of any crime (Source)
The death penalty has no statistically relevant deterrant factor for other criminals. (source)
The vast majority of people who support the death penalty do not do so for rational reasons associated with evidence or research, as such their opinion should be ignored. Decisions of whether the state should infringe the rights of it's citizens should only be made on clear facts.
Totally barbaric, especially the killing methods.
shame, waste of space world be a better place.
Except that the Iraqi's are as corrupt as they come and he would have been busted out and fled to the Pakistani mountains
No they didn't, it was a total vast of a trial by America and a massive blow to democracy and our high and mighty attitude. He should have been tried at the Hague.
18 years is NOT life no matter how you look at it.
And parole in the UK is set by the judge at the trial in the USA it's victims family\Police\district attorney have their say
at the district attorney meeting.
Your link does not work. But if it's the one I am thinking of then it's a 2005 survey, if so then.
"In 1993, the Times survey found, about 20 percent of all lifers had no chance of parole. By 2004, the number rose to 28 percent"
The Louisiana State Penitentiary in Angola have 3,000 of the 5,100 prisoners are serving life without parole the UK has about 10 if that.
You say "give people the hope of release" They should NOT be released but put to death.
What if society don't want them to out or alive to reoffend. Which they don't.
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No more then the way he killed 10 people in a three-week period.
At least he had a chance to change the verdict of the deaf penalty but his victims did not.
Marion Lewis, 57 said
""I want to see what he made me see. He forced us to look at our little girl laying in a coffin. I want to see justice done."
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It is within UK law, and that is all that matters.
As for the victims etc having a say, how is that an objective measurement.
Has the above reduced crime in the USA?
Why? It won't deter future criminals, it won't cost less than keeping them in prison, but it will give people a lot less to lose through poor conduct in Prison.
Appeals to emotion or popularity should have no place in lawmaking or sentencing, there is a reason they are known as fallacies...
Personally I am all for the death penalty, where that applies to certain crimes im maybe a tad more hard lined than your average joe believing it should be an option for less severe crimes than rape or murder, such as repeat offending. Although I feel some people deserve a fate far worse than death, Prison in my opinion just does not cut it, you take away that persons liberty however the cost of maintaining said person sky rockets and as such has put a significant strain on the countries budget, weigh that against the cost of a bullet...
I think some people are missing the point a bit. The death penalty is not just about justice or revenge (although this is a large part of it), but also removing those individuals from society who have been convicted beyond reasonable doubt of attrocious crimes. Not just because they may re-offend (again this is a large part) but also because their presence in society undermines that of good law abiding citizens and also causes unnecesary stress to those law abiding citizens who may worry in the knowledge that these 'people' are still floating around in society somewhere.
I stress my point about the good citizens being undermined, for instance, Person A gets up at 6.30 am everyday, they go to work from 8:00 am until 5:00 pm, they pay their taxes and fulfill every requirement which the government places on them. On returning home from work, feeling tired and stressed they switch on the television, to find that a peadophile has been released from prison, and has been given a new identity and is being protected using tax payers' money, after the tax payers had also paid for him to twiddle his thumbs for x amount of years in prison, getting fed, entertained and generally not having to worry about anything. To top the lot Person A has now also got to worry about their being a peadophile back in the community, but with no incling as to who it might be they must now constantly stress over who their child interacts with (This is also a massive contributing factor to the lack of freedom which children experience today).
Oh and by the way this person also has all the same rights as Person A. So at the end what is person A left with?
- STRESS!
- A wallet that is x % lighter than what it could be if they didn't have to pay for the continued existance of scum.
- A serious issue regarding the safety of their children.
- The knowledge that despite all of their trials and tribulations, they are still regarded by our government and law at no better a standing than a filthy peadophile/murderer.
That is why capital punishment is needed, not just for justice or revenge, but to remove those from our society who have abused our trust and proved themselves unworthy of life itself.
I stress my point about the good citizens being undermined, for instance, Person A gets up at 6.30 am everyday, they go to work from 8:00 am until 5:00 pm, they pay their taxes and fulfill every requirement which the government places on them. On returning home from work, feeling tired and stressed they switch on the television, to find that a peadophile has been released from prison, and has been given a new identity and is being protected using tax payers' money, after the tax payers had also paid for him to twiddle his thumbs for x amount of years in prison, getting fed, entertained and generally not having to worry about anything. To top the lot Person A has now also got to worry about their being a peadophile back in the community, but with no incling as to who it might be they must now constantly stress over who their child interacts with (This is also a massive contributing factor to the lack of freedom which children experience today).
Oh and by the way this person also has all the same rights as Person A. So at the end what is person A left with?
- STRESS!
- A wallet that is x % lighter than what it could be if they didn't have to pay for the continued existance of scum.
- A serious issue regarding the safety of their children.
- The knowledge that despite all of their trials and tribulations, they are still regarded by our government and law at no better a standing than a filthy peadophile/murderer.
That is why capital punishment is needed, not just for justice or revenge, but to remove those from our society who have abused our trust and proved themselves unworthy of life itself.
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If you read the thread, you would know none of that is true.
Death penalty is pointless in today's society, you have people on death row in America for 33 years, legal issues is one thing, social issues is another, lets sort society out first rather than the death penalty and even with the death penalty in America why are people commenting awful crimes?
wow big post, do you really think people who get up at 6:30am care about people committing crime or murdering people, it happens has done for a long long long time, people act that way, as I said society needs sorting first but if someone wants to kill you they will have a bloody good go, killing someone who committed a crime for what ever reason what not make Mr Joe working 40 hours a week happy, it would make zero difference, just make a front page in the sun.
We need more prisons but due to the not in my back yard, British prisons are not wanted, would you like one 5 miles away from your house Jonny L, once we have more prisons we will have more spaces and longer sentences and being in prison is not cushy, being locked up for 24 hours a day is not cushy, you have lost all liberty that any humans have.
wow big post, do you really think people who get up at 6:30am care about people committing crime or murdering people, it happens has done for a long long long time, people act that way, as I said society needs sorting first but if someone wants to kill you they will have a bloody good go, killing someone who committed a crime for what ever reason what not make Mr Joe working 40 hours a week happy, it would make zero difference, just make a front page in the sun.
We need more prisons but due to the not in my back yard, British prisons are not wanted, would you like one 5 miles away from your house Jonny L, once we have more prisons we will have more spaces and longer sentences and being in prison is not cushy, being locked up for 24 hours a day is not cushy, you have lost all liberty that any humans have.
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I support death penalty for the sake of the taxpayer.
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The death sentence is wrong, obviously theres a point were the line can be drawn, but then its a new arguement were this actually would be?
Pretty much all the research has shown that it costs the taxpayer more to put someone to death than to keep them locked up unless you do away with all the checks and balances required to try to ensure you only execute guilty people. Do you really advocate removing all those checks and having quicky executions?