The FA CUP Semi-Finals 13/14 April *** Spoilers ***
- Thread starter Cosimo
- Start date
Hmm, yes probably more shoulder/neck height if Arbeloa hadn't jumped off the ground, not too much of a difference really.
Caporegime
- Joined
- 18 Oct 2002
- Posts
- 33,188
No, its reckless and still punishable, Intent would be the difference between 3 game ban for recklessness and a 10 game for violent conduct.
He DID know there were 21 other players on the pitch and he had no reasonable expectation to believe the other side wouldn't have someone going towards the ball, and he still jumped in "kung fu style" catching someone badly, it was as blatant a red as Aguero's, but should have received very different punishments because the intent was different, one was reckless and stupid, one was an attack and on purpose.
ITs hilarious, we've got one guy saying De Jong's studs in the chest is an insanely bad tackle, he's right, and other guys going "but he wasn't going to get him in the head" so its fine.
IF Nani jumped in like that one foot off the ground going straight into Arbeloa's knee, it would be a red card every single time. But somehow because its above the knee and below the head, its not a clear foul, sure.
Its also even more ridiculous to defend the Nani tackle, Biz did say the Aguero tackle was terrible, he just didn't think it was as bad as people made out, he never defended it from the view it wasn't a tackle or wasn't much contact, or wasn't dangerous.
Utd fans defending Nani are being utterly ridiculous, though I would say Purdy is wrong in so far as, because its an english team in Europe it was far more than just Utd fans defending Nani, the english media supported Utd/Nani as well as Utd fans and a lot of those fans who randomly decide to support teams they usually hate if they are in Europe and their own team isn't. Anyone without blinders thinks its a clear as day red.
That red line Tom has put down is laughable, from the gif before it its clear as day that Arbeloa is MUCH further than that off the ground, he's well over a foot off the ground, probably about 18 inches, if Arbeloa hadn't jumped it would merely have been worse, it was a terrible tackle and would be a straight red EVERY time you jump in with all your force behind one or two feet into someone OFF THE GROUND, full stop, its a red card in the shin, knee, thigh, hip, stomach, chest, neck and head, its ALWAYS a red, that is a shocking attempt to win the ball, utterly reckless, incredibly dangerous and completely stupid.
Last edited:
No DM you emphasised the difference between what would have made it a red card and what didn't yourself - IF Nani jumped in like that. IF. Fact is he didn't jump into anyone, he jumped vertically to control a ball coming over his shoulder while Arboala ran into him presumably hoping to head the ball away.
For those still struggling here are two of the most blindingly obvious reasons why it shouldn't of been a red card;
1- If no Red card was given not one person with even a slither of a brain cell (I realise this doesn't apply to DM or Purdy) would have been moaning about it post match and that's a fact!
2- Since the game there's been at least 3 examples exactly the same brought up on this forum alone (2 in the UCL) in which nothing was done!!
No he is not.
Real Madrid changed their tactics and exploited the extra man advantage, Manchester United did not react to losing a man as quickly and during that time the game was lost.
Soldato
- Joined
- 24 Aug 2006
- Posts
- 10,113
- Location
- Gibraltar
No ridiculous sending off = no need to adapt to the other team having a man advantage
I can see where you're coming from but everything hinged the moment the ref showed the red card
Caporegime
- Joined
- 18 Oct 2002
- Posts
- 33,188
Another time Tom can't understand english, I didn't say if he jumped in differently, I said if he did EXACTLY WHAT HE DID< but it was at knee height, it would be Hadaira's tackle, and a red, why is it less of a red because its a massively higher flying kick? Flying kick where you crash into the opposition player is almost always a red card.
As for your ridiculously awful logic of "there have been similar tackles since which weren't red cards", explain Aguero's non red card... yeah another tackle being punished incorrectly doesn't make Nani's tackle any better, absolutely and completely flawed logic to imply as much.
It was a freaking flying kick which smashed into the opposition player, simple as that, there is no other way to describe that, nor would anyone be able to describe it differently, this is a red card every time. There have been equally bad tackles, like Zamora's, which have also received a red card, correctly. You can't flying kick someone, this has been a red card for as long as I've watched football.
I'm also 99% sure that one of the examples of a "similar" tackle was in fact very very different.
As has already been said in terms of the game, there was 10 minutes in which Utd had completely changed how they played after the goal and Real were well into a spell of being utterly dominant, nothing changed after the Nani sending off, after you conceded Utd managed to completely dominate the final spell of the game, thus proving this was possible without Nani.
I've got no problem understanding English, what I have problem with is understanding stupid which is your native language this is what you said;
Fact is he didn't jump into Arbeloa to begin with, if you cant understand that then you're either blind or stupid.... actually in your case you're both.
How in the hell is Aguero's tackle similar? Tell me how it's similar? You cant because it isn't. Similar tackles which haven't resulted in a red card would be Martinez against Juventus and Benzema against Galatasaray - those are the instances I'm referring to as they're similar to Nani's. Not Aguero's because it's not even remotely the same. Jesus christ I'd have more joy talking to an ant.
Yes there is you could describe it exactly by telling it like it is, one playing sticking his foot out trying to bring the ball out of the air with another player running into him.
You'd be wrong about that also then.
There wasn't even 10 minutes between the goal & the sending off so what do you know you're wrong again. Well done you've beaten Purdy's record.
I disagree, obviously the red card had an impact but it wasn't going down to ten men that lost Manchester United the game, it was the lack of tactical decisions made by Manchester United and the changes made by Real Madrid that won the game.
can i ask how tall you are, Tom84?
That's shin height for you, lanky piz.