The Falklands thread

now for some comedy relief.

The Chilean navy is investigating allegations of xenophobia, after a video emerged apparently showing marines chanting offensive slogans.

About 40 men appear jogging along a beach while chanting that they would "kill Argentines, shoot Bolivians and slit the throats of Peruvians".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-21362538

mite make the argies think a bit more before talking rubish about the falkland islands. at least for a month or two.
 
I guess a few people have seen this already but thought it was worth updating this thread

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21731760

"The people of the Falkland Islands have begun voting in a two-day referendum on whether to remain a British overseas territory."

"Argentine President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner has said the inhabitants' wishes are not relevant in what is a territorial issue."

I find it funny how once again she can say its not relevant for the inhabitants wishes given how Argentina was formed as a country. I hope this does go someway to show the rest of the world that the Falkland islanders want to say British.
 
I guess a few people have seen this already but thought it was worth updating this thread

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21731760

"The people of the Falkland Islands have begun voting in a two-day referendum on whether to remain a British overseas territory."

"Argentine President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner has said the inhabitants' wishes are not relevant in what is a territorial issue."

I find it funny how once again she can say its not relevant for the inhabitants wishes given how Argentina was formed as a country. I hope this does go someway to show the rest of the world that the Falkland islanders want to say British.

Basically a massive '**** you democracy!'
 
Corned beef is from Brazil as far as I can see, so a conflict won't cause supply problems of Corned Beef so as far as I know there will be no problem.
 
Corned beef is from Brazil as far as I can see, so a conflict won't cause supply problems of Corned Beef so as far as I know there will be no problem.

Argentina, as well as several other S.American countries including Brazil are the main exporters of Corned Beef to the U.K
 
Corned beef is from Brazil as far as I can see, so a conflict won't cause supply problems of Corned Beef so as far as I know there will be no problem.

I've been in Brazil for 6 years and never knew they made corned beef here:confused::confused::eek:

Must try harder to find it :D unless they ship it all over to Blighty!!!
 
Basically a massive '**** you democracy!'

Argentina has absolutely no idea how to deal with international matters. The islands inhabitants are enshrined in the UN charter. Not that they pay any attention at all to the UN charter they signed up to.

It's not just the Falklands either. The Argentine government is flat out refusing to pay off most of its debts and doesn't support human rights (a UN thing).
 
Argentina has absolutely no idea how to deal with international matters. The islands inhabitants are enshrined in the UN charter. Not that they pay any attention at all to the UN charter they signed up to.

It's not just the Falklands either. The Argentine government is flat out refusing to pay off most of its debts and doesn't support human rights (a UN thing).

Doesn't look like the UK government does either.

(A jab ;))
 
I was in Argentina over the summer and the general feeling I got from talking to locals in their 20's and 30's is that they believe strongly that the Islands belong to Argentina and should long term be returned to them. However they don't support their governments position that the people who live there count for nothing and shouldn't get a say, there was also no appetite what so ever for a war with Britain over the Islands and no animosity towards us as British citizens. There is still some resentment and bitterness in the older population but then that is true on both sides those who fought and those who lost loved ones will always see things differently.

I think that "returned" is an important part of the issue. The Argentinians you refer to have obviously been fundamentally misled and are making conclusions based on a false premise. It's impossible to return land to a country that never had it. The Falkland Islands have never been Argentinian - they've been British since before Argentina even existed and with the exception of a tiny French colony on one of the islands they were uninhabited and unclaimed when the British colonised them.
 
To be fair, that applies to the UK these days too. No carriers or Harriers this time to defend the islands. Both sides will be throwing stones!

and again we have carriers, they are used for helicopters now rather than planes though. and i guess having the best subs and destroyers mean we have no navy now.
 
To be fair, that applies to the UK these days too. No carriers or Harriers this time to defend the islands. Both sides will be throwing stones!
Although we do have a squadron of one of the worlds best air superiority fighter permenantly stationed on the relatively new "proper" RAF airfield.

Someone like Castiel would know better than I, but I would expect any determined Agrentine attempt to take the islands would start with "special forces" trying to take Mount Pleasant by suprise to hold it to allow an air bridge onto the islands if possible or disable it if not.
 
Although we do have a squadron of one of the worlds best air superiority fighter permenantly stationed on the relatively new "proper" RAF airfield.

Someone like Castiel would know better than I, but I would expect any determined Agrentine attempt to take the islands would start with "special forces" trying to take Mount Pleasant by suprise to hold it to allow an air bridge onto the islands if possible or disable it if not.

Without going into too much detail, Argentina barely have the operational capacity to deal with the land-based defences on the Falklands at this time, let alone the Naval capacity currently within operational distance of the Falklands.

They are nowhere near the capacity, operational readyness or relative modernity of the forces they had under the former Military Junta and the world itself is a different place, so any military action against the Falklands would be political suicide for Argentina on the international stage.

To answer your question directly, it would need some kind of operation to seize and hold the airfield, as well as disrupting communications long enough to ensure enough Argentine Forces are in place to counter the Royal Marines already on the Falklands and the JRRF who can be deployed to support the Falkland defence. The main issue with this is how do you get such a force capable of doing this onto the Falklands, with the advanced early warnong systems and Naval patrols it would be quite difficult for Argentine forces to land enough specialized troops to carry out such an operation and given the constant contact with a Type 45 Destroyer and a reported Trafalgar and Astute class submarines in the region, Argentina's mainland would be wide open for retaliation and they do not have sufficent defence capability to counter even one type 45 destroyer, let alone the Typhoons or Subs. The operational capability of both nations is vastly different today than in 1982, not to mention Argentine Forces are under equipped, do not have the combat experience of British troops, and lack the ability to conduct the kind of operations necessary to mitigate the effictiveness of the Falklands defences long enough to elimate the deployment of the JRRF or any retaliation on Aegentine Forces by the Naval presence already in the region.
 
Without going into too much detail, Argentina barely have the operational capacity to deal with the land-based defences on the Falklands at this time, let alone the Naval capacity currently within operational distance of the Falklands.

They are nowhere near the capacity, operational readyness or relative modernity of the forces they had under the former Military Junta and the world itself is a different place, so any military action against the Falklands would be political suicide for Argentina on the international stage.

To answer your question directly, it would need some kind of operation to seize and hold the airfield, as well as disrupting communications long enough to ensure enough Argentine Forces are in place to counter the Royal Marines already on the Falklands and the JRRF who can be deployed to support the Falkland defence. The main issue with this is how do you get such a force capable of doing this onto the Falklands, with the advanced early warnong systems and Naval patrols it would be quite difficult for Argentine forces to land enough specialized troops to carry out such an operation and given the constant contact with a Type 45 Destroyer and a reported Trafalgar and Astute class submarines in the region, Argentina's mainland would be wide open for retaliation and they do not have sufficent defence capability to counter even one type 45 destroyer, let alone the Typhoons or Subs. The operational capability of both nations is vastly different today than in 1982, not to mention Argentine Forces are under equipped, do not have the combat experience of British troops, and lack the ability to conduct the kind of operations necessary to mitigate the effictiveness of the Falklands defences long enough to elimate the deployment of the JRRF or any retaliation on Aegentine Forces by the Naval presence already in the region.

Speaking to a few people where I work (defence based) the general feeling is they would try and get troops in on a "civilian plane", but surely they couldnt get enough troops on the ground quick enough. It is all a lot of hot air blowing imo and a load of rubbish. Nothing will come of it, much more chance of the Koreas going to war.
 
Speaking to a few people where I work (defence based) the general feeling is they would try and get troops in on a "civilian plane", but surely they couldnt get enough troops on the ground quick enough. It is all a lot of hot air blowing imo and a load of rubbish. Nothing will come of it, much more chance of the Koreas going to war.

It would be exceptionally difficult to get operational troops into the Falklands via civilian transports, either in numbers or with the necessary equipment. The first major problem would be that it would require the assistance of Chile, as they are the only country to run a civilian flight into the Falklands (once a week) or they would have to somehow infiltrate the 28 available civilian berths out of Brize Norton on a military transport. Neither option is realistic and even if it were possible it would have very limited operational effectiveness given the security at Mt Pleasant.
 
All this talk is pointless as Argentina can't really invade and look good even if the majority of the planet support the general idea that the Falklands should 'belong' to them on geographical grounds.

Why, because there is a population there who are totally opposed to them, so even if they take the island they really only have three choices...

1) Kill all the residents of the island (genocide doesn't go down to well in international circles)
2) Forcefully evict them and replace them with argentines (Ethnic cleansing is probably second to genocide on the no no front).
3) Ignore the population and force them to live under Argentine rule against their will (Which is basically 'colonialism' the notion they claim to be fighting against)
 
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