The Falklands thread

Falklands referendum: Voters choose to remain UK territory.

BBC Link.

The people of the Falkland Islands have voted overwhelmingly in favour of remaining a UK overseas territory.
 
I suspect the 3 no vote people were pre-decided given that they were concerned that a 100% majority would look suspiciously like it was rigged.
 
GAC said:
and i guess having the best subs and destroyers mean we have no navy now.
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When we only have a few of each and they run under the equipment doctrine of 'fitted for but not with' then for the bulk of purposes there isn't usually a ship fit for purpose immediately available anymore.
 
Why cant we just be interesting and spontaneous by allowing them to develop on the island?

I dont just mean signing anything over, but a sort of cultural midway.

Just saying no over and over is just boring, while it might be slightly funny to see the Argentines get bothered every time they need to ignore their economic problems.

The islands have sketchy history dating too far back to really know unbiased truth in the matter, so i see no problem in trying to solve the issue in a productive way.

This ends any image of colonial behaviour by Britain and gives the Argentines nothing else to talk about. ;)

I dont particularly know how to detail what i mean, but a general idea is to have a more approriate influence in South America, by simply allowing ourselves a distant neighbour...also to frankly make the place a little less dull, honestly...i dont really care for the islands, needs a little latin colour in my humble opinion.

I realise it will likely never happen (perhaps a tad silly in some respects), but just putting it on the table and stuff.
 
StriderX said:
Why cant we just be interesting and spontaneous by allowing them to develop on the island?

I dont just mean signing anything over, but a sort of cultural midway.

Just saying no over and over is just boring, while it might be slightly funny to see the Argentines get bothered every time they need to ignore their economic problems.

The islands have sketchy history dating too far back to really know unbiased truth in the matter, so i see no problem in trying to solve the issue in a productive way.

This ends any image of colonial behaviour by Britain and gives the Argentines nothing else to talk about. ;)

I dont particularly know how to detail what i mean, but a general idea is to have a more approriate influence in South America, by simply allowing ourselves a distant neighbour...also to frankly make the place a little less dull, honestly...i dont really care for the islands, needs a little latin colour in my humble opinion.

I realise it will likely never happen (perhaps a tad silly in some respects), but just putting it on the table and stuff.
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I think the main problem with that is the old saying "give someone an inch and they suddenly want a mile" and given the state of Argentina they would just want more and more. The islanders dont want that and want British rule until they say otherwise we should support them.
 
Totality said:
To be fair, that applies to the UK these days too. No carriers or Harriers this time to defend the islands. Both sides will be throwing stones!
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We have one ship that could blow the entire Argentina airforce out of the sky at one press of a button.

Our main problem is if they decide to land a commercial jet full of their special forces but the islands have been fortified for that eventuality. The UK military is still the forth best funded and one of the best trained in the world despite all the doom and gloom in the press.
 
StriderX said:
Why cant we just be interesting and spontaneous by allowing them to develop on the island?

I dont just mean signing anything over, but a sort of cultural midway.

Just saying no over and over is just boring, while it might be slightly funny to see the Argentines get bothered every time they need to ignore their economic problems.

The islands have sketchy history dating too far back to really know unbiased truth in the matter, so i see no problem in trying to solve the issue in a productive way.

This ends any image of colonial behaviour by Britain and gives the Argentines nothing else to talk about. ;)

I dont particularly know how to detail what i mean, but a general idea is to have a more approriate influence in South America, by simply allowing ourselves a distant neighbour...also to frankly make the place a little less dull, honestly...i dont really care for the islands, needs a little latin colour in my humble opinion.

I realise it will likely never happen (perhaps a tad silly in some respects), but just putting it on the table and stuff.
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They dont desire the Falkland Islands to inhabitant and develop, their sole interest is its potential oil field and gas resources along with its strategic locational importance to other potential resource avenues in the Antarctic. I imagine their desire to have it is no different to the British governments desire to keep it. The fact we have had British nationals living on it for the last 200 years is nothing more than a convenient fact that prevents us having to show our true hand.
 
Firestar_3x said:
Some Argies live on the island, it was mentioned in one of the recent BBC videos about the voting.
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And even they, when asked said they did not want to be under Argentine rule...the few holdouts it is thought are actually hardline independence supporters who want the Falklands to govern themselves under their own sovereignty.
 
Firestar_3x said:
It's Radar has a 400km range, it's not an issue.
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Well no, it has a 400km range for an aircraft flying at like 40K feet, range for low level aircraft will be much lower.

But on the other hand, hardly any of Argentina's air force is airworthy and pretty much all their ordinance is time expired.
 
Military might has bugger all to do with it.

Britain is a war mongering nation (:p), and nothing would distract the electorate from home issues like a good ol' patriotic war.

The argies know this and will postulate in frustration at all that oil. :p
 
Even if we are somehow made to concede possession of the islands can the Falklands not just declare independence as a sovereign state? why do Argentina believe they have a right to it?
 
daver said:
Well no, it has a 400km range for an aircraft flying at like 40K feet, range for low level aircraft will be much lower.

But on the other hand, hardly any of Argentina's air force is airworthy and pretty much all their ordinance is time expired.
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The real threat is another aircraft launched Exocet (if they have any left which will fire). From memory the Type 45 radar has a horizon cut-off limit of 20km given a 25 - 30m radar tower height and the missile at sea height, the Exocet has a range of around 50km, I’d expect the ship could pick up the launch aircraft before the missile was fired.
 
Firestar_3x said:
The real threat is another aircraft launched Exocet (if they have any left which will fire). From memory the Type 45 radar has a horizon cut-off limit of 20km given a 25 - 30m radar tower height and the missile at sea height, the Exocet has a range of around 50km, I’d expect the ship could pick up the launch aircraft before the missile was fired.
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The Argentines don't have any Exocets, and even if they did the UK is now in possession of the codes which make them useless.
 
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