"The figures suggested that the proportion of women who are obese or overweight falls as the educati

Soldato
Joined
28 Nov 2008
Posts
8,725
Location
UK
"UK women are 'fattest in Europe'"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-15901351

I'm sure that this correlation education and obesity correlation is the same for men too, not just women.

What I am pondering is whether it is a simple case of 'dumb people eat chips' or if the education/obesity correlation is not a direct cause and effect (probably).

Perhaps people who are more intelligent tend to read more/better quality newspapers and get the information that way, or perhaps it is to do with the education/wealth correlation (although I personally do not buy into the 'it is expensive to eat healthily' thing).
 
Also, now we know why UK women also have the largest cup sizes... because they're fatter :D

Percentage of women wearing cup size: D C B A

UK 57 18 19 6

Denmark 50 19 24 7

Netherlands 36 27 29 8

Belgium 28 28 35 9

France 26 29 38 7

Sweden 24 30 33 14

Greece 23 28 40 9

Switzerland 19 24 43 14

Austria 11 27 51 10

Italy 10 21 68 1
 
Pearoast :(

Also it may be to do with income as well. Good education tends to lead to higher income, and lower income people tend to eat lower quality food, no gym memberships etc
 
"UK women are 'fattest in Europe'"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-15901351

I'm sure that this correlation education and obesity correlation is the same for men too, not just women.

What I am pondering is whether it is a simple case of 'dumb people eat chips' or if the education/obesity correlation is not a direct cause and effect (probably).

Perhaps people who are more intelligent tend to read more/better quality newspapers and get the information that way, or perhaps it is to do with the education/wealth correlation (although I personally do not buy into the 'it is expensive to eat healthily' thing).



People who are overweight come from all backgrounds, however in the lower income brackets there is less money and opportunity for better food, better education, better social activities and so on....

With women specifically they are less likely to be employed in physical jobs, more likely to be stay-at-home mums and thus have less opportunity for exercise in the same way men of a similar demographic might....

I was only thinking about food costs earlier this week...I was buying some Fresh Chicken Breast, which were around £6 for 3 small breasts, and then looked at Frozen processed Breaded Chicken Breast which were £1-39 for 4......this is repeated across a whole range of Fresh foods and it is not surprising that a mother on a very low income would choose the unhealthier option given the price difference....this doesn't even consider the point that many 'younger' mothers don't know how to cook healthy meals on a budget any more, thus the education issue.

The same with simple things like days out, simply walking around a museum, shopping trips, visiting parks etc...are not always affordable, even when the park or whatever is free, the costs of travel etc can be prohibitive, even if it does seem a small cost to us, it may not be to them.

There is also the psychological aspects of over-eating to consider, again the lower the income bracket the more likely someone is to suffer from depression, low self esteem etc...

The preponderance of cheap, unhealthy foods, poor education about food, poor labelling, unnecessary additives in even the simplest foods (fructose added to frozen plain chicken breast for example) and the way they are marketed by stores make it doubly difficult for anyone, least of all someone struggling to feed a family on very little money.

This is not to say that there are people who are overweight due to inherrent laziness or simply over eating because they want to, but from experience I know that most people who are overweight do not want to be, they simply need the encouragement and opportunity to motivate and enable themselves to change their lifestyle and ultimately their weight.

Dismissing them or worse, villifying them does nothing but reinforce their low self esteem and do nothing to encourage them to lose weight and change their life.

When you are in a Gym and people are pointing and giggling about you it doesn't inspire you to return.....
 
Or you could look at it another way. The higher the education the higher the probability of higher pay, thus being able to afford better diets.

Lower education, generally equals lower pay, thus lower quality of foods with more fats in them.

Beaten above.
 
With women specifically they are less likely to be employed in physical jobs, more likely to be stay-at-home mums and thus have less opportunity for exercise in the same way men of a similar demographic might....
It's more about calories on the plate rather than the hours in the day. You could eat the right amount of calories, it doesn't really matter where they come from, you wouldn't gain weight. You could get fat on too much apple juice and too many crisps.

I was only thinking about food costs earlier this week...I was buying some Fresh Chicken Breast, which were around £6 for 3 small breasts, and then looked at Frozen processed Breaded Chicken Breast which were £1-39 for 4......this is repeated across a whole range of Fresh foods and it is not surprising that a mother on a very low income would choose the unhealthier option given the price difference...
But how were the chicken breasts processed? Formed and a bit of added salt isn't going to make someone fat instead of skinny, even if you buy more of it. Also I do not buy into the 'can only buy processed crap' thing on a low income. To feed a family of four on chips and turkey twizzlers you could quite easily prepare a healthier spag bol, lasagne, rice and something, veg potatoes and some frozen fish.

The same with simple things like days out, simply walking around a museum, shopping trips, visiting parks etc...are not always affordable, even when the park or whatever is free, the costs of travel etc can be prohibitive, even if it does seem a small cost to us, it may not be to them.
You pay to go to museums and parks?

There is also the psychological aspects of over-eating to consider, again the lower the income bracket the more likely someone is to suffer from depression, low self esteem etc...
Yes, interesting point.

When you are in a Gym and people are pointing and giggling about you it doesn't inspire you to return.....
You've seen this happen? That's sad.
 
It's more about calories on the plate rather than the hours in the day. You could eat the right amount of calories, it doesn't really matter where they come from, you wouldn't gain weight. You could get fat on too much apple juice and too many crisps.

I understand that, however you would be surprised how many people do not understand calories, let alone the GI of certain foods and how and when to eat and all the other aspects of diet that go with simply counting the calories.

Also the likelihood of being full on healthy food is greater so you are likely to eat less, a lot of foods contain empty calories and thus you tend to eat more.....

It really isn't as simple as people would like to believe.

But how were the chicken breasts processed? Formed and a bit of added salt isn't going to make someone fat instead of skinny, even if you buy more of it. Also I do not buy into the 'can only buy processed crap' thing on a low income. To feed a family of four on chips and turkey twizzlers you could quite easily prepare a healthier spag bol, lasagne, rice and something, veg potatoes and some frozen fish.

They were birdseye processed breaded chicken breasts, not the fresh or frozen plain chicken breasts....the Frozen processed plain chicken breasts had added water, fructose (a sugar) and salt, they still cost significantly more than the BE Chicken, but less than the frozen chicken.

To feed a family of four on Chips and Birdseye Chicken would cost a couple of quid, there is no way you are buying the ingredients for Spaghetti Bolognaise, Lasagne or even just the frozen fish for that kind of money and even if they did, there is the issue of knowing how to prepare and cook the meals themselves as well as having the time....

I am not saying it is impossible to eat healthy on a low income...I am saying it is more difficult and added to poor food education and the inability to prepare meals from scratch can and does contribute to obesity.

You pay to go to museums and parks?

As I said, even if they are free (and yes I have paid to go to both) their is the travel and ancillary costs to consider...again I am not saying it is impossible, but it can and does contribute to the problem.....



You've seen this happen? That's sad.

I have been a victim of it as well as seeing it on regular basis, and not only in the Gym....in parks, on the street and even in slimming clubs there is an inordinate amount of prejudgement and abuse going on.....we see it on the forum also.
 
biggest factor is down to of this generation clueless about home economics and good old fashioned cooking.

I go to DW gym and almost every time men outnumber women at least 6 to 1, why u no go gym women?
I have been a victim of it as well as seeing it on regular basis, and not only in the Gym....in parks, on the street and even in slimming clubs there is an inordinate amount of prejudgement and abuse going on.....we see it on the forum also.

Really, I know it can be off putting but you have been abused and bullied going to a gym while carrying extra tinder, crazy
 
Last edited:
Really, I know it can be off putting but you have been abused and bullied going to a gym while carrying extra tinder, crazy

Personally it was never to my face....I can look after myself as some have found out and since I have lost the weight and become a regular member it has stopped anyway.

I still see it with other people though, they come in for one or two sessions, are made to feel inadequate and they don't return and I can see why.

To be fair the Gym is making strides at combating it and it is predominantly the younger members who are doing it (mainly the girls) but nonetheless it is unfair and unnecessary.

And not only in the gym either, the fat kid out in the park exercising or jogging down the street or riding a bike are all objects of mirth, mainly for kids and teenagers....it is no wonder they withdraw into themselves and lose motivation and self esteem.....
 
Last edited:
I have been a victim of it as well as seeing it on regular basis, and not only in the Gym....in parks, on the street and even in slimming clubs there is an inordinate amount of prejudgement and abuse going on.....we see it on the forum also.

I see, but are you suggesting your experience would beany different on the continent?
 
So they are basically saying a quarter of this population is fat.

Not surprised.

I think it's to do with society thou, we don't make fun of fat people enough and we enable women who are getting fat by calling them "sexy curvy" when we should be telling them to lay off the sodas.
 
I don't know any statistics but at a guess.


More education = better paid = better food and better diet

Less education = less money = (sweeping generalisation here) start shopping in Iceland for £1 ready meals and eat 3 in 1 sitting.

But I think carbs is cheap, bread, chips, potatoes, pasta etc so if you are not as well off, instead of having a piece of steak with some asparagus, carrots and 2 roast potatoes. You have a piece of steak with a big bowl of chips. Then the little bit add up.
 
i don't see why a low income directly means you have to eat crap. If you're careful about what you buy you can live healthily on very little.. and I'm a student so I know a little about lean food budgets. Also, scientifically speaking, its the quantity and calorific value of what you eat, you can quite easily eat crap and loose weight, simply because you're not eating enough.. In my eyes its all about education and parenting

on a slight tangent i remember watching a documentary where they were interviewing a mother on a very low income regarding feeding her children, and she was talking about how difficult it is to feed them on a budget, while at the same time she was giving them cocopops as an after-school snack before tea. Its not immediately obvious why thats stupid, but crappy cereals never fill you up and are very expensive compared with things like porridge or toast.- just simple things like that where parents dont understand what foods are best for their kids, and are spending unnecessary money on sugary foods that don't fill you up, i don't understand how any child functions at school on coco pops or special K for breakfast, there's just so little nutritional value to some brands of cereals
 
Last edited:
Actually, Hatter do you come form a privileged background or a working class family and done good? Do you have your own family? Support a household?

I just find your "argument" completely out of touch with reality and the portion of society that you abuse so readily.

Your "let them eat cake" (pun intended) attitude and lack of knowledge worrys me a bit, not enough to care too much mind.
 
I don't think its anything to do with quality of food, you can be of normal proportions if you ate a lot of junk if you exercised.

I think its to do with the more educated doing more exercise, as they are more aware of the damage obesity can have, and the benefits of being fit.
 
Back
Top Bottom