The first threat to Microsoft Windows since BeOS

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mr.sly said:
Nobody knows how anything will work, so it's a little stupid to say you're not going to use something you know nothing about.

And if everything is stored online, you will be able to use Google Gears to store information for use offline. And any changes that are made will be synced up the next time an internet connection is used.

Bah, beaten to it.
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Yes but to do that you have to have the applciations installed on your PC. The items I am referring to (i.e. compatibility with windows apps, games, etc.) is from several articles I've read.

The O/S is supposedly being made by Web technologies such as Java, CSS, HTML, etc. which isn't exactly the most stable of technologies.

It just sounds such a strange propersition. Having the O/S out then having Google Gears appear sometime later just sounds like having a nice new car and then roads being built afterwards.



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wush said:
You can encrypt it before it leaves your computer. I love online backup, it's a convenient way to get stuff off-site, which is one of the most important aspects.
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And who will own that data if the company you're using goes belly up? This scenario has already been acted out a number of times with some pretty disastrous results. Another issue is cost - my 80 gigs worth would not be cheap. No I'm content to backup to my own HD's a couple kept on site and at least one kept off site.
 
Faustus said:
And who will own that data if the company you're using goes belly up? This scenario has already been acted out a number of times with some pretty disastrous results. Another issue is cost - my 80 gigs worth would not be cheap. No I'm content to backup to my own HD's a couple kept on site and at least one kept off site.
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If the data is encrypted then for all intents and purposes there is no data for them to own, it's just cipher.

I prefer to back up locally for speed and convenience, but I know I'm taking a slight risk by not having an off-site option which is what an online service would provide.
 
theheyes said:
If the data is encrypted then for all intents and purposes there is no data for them to own, it's just cipher.

I prefer to back up locally for speed and convenience, but I know I'm taking a slight risk by not having an off-site option which is what an online service would provide.
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It really depends on whos providing the service. Google won't want you to loose your data so will probably provide a way of getting into it (i.e. recovery method). I'd prefer it to be if you lost the key or password that was it but the bigger companies want to provide customer service and, no doubt, that if they released a service like this then someone would loose access in a few hours and want there password recovered or there keys recovered.



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m4cc45 said:
Yes but to do that you have to have the applciations installed on your PC. The items I am referring to (i.e. compatibility with windows apps, games, etc.) is from several articles I've read.

The O/S is supposedly being made by Web technologies such as Java, CSS, HTML, etc. which isn't exactly the most stable of technologies.

It just sounds such a strange propersition. Having the O/S out then having Google Gears appear sometime later just sounds like having a nice new car and then roads being built afterwards.



M.
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Are you honestly just making things up? Java, CSS, HTML.. unstable? The latter have nothing to do with stability, as they are absolutely functionless. The first is so utterly stable, you could only be more stable by using solid granite.

As for your other reply about "Have to have the apps installed" .. says who? Not seen the latest streaming sites? You can play *any* game without needing to install it. In their demo they had Spore, Need For Speed (Underground I think it was) and even MMO's like WoW and EVE. None of it installed locally, all of it streamed. Playable at full speed.

 
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Javascript is stable is it? News to me :p It's only in recent years there has actually been any commitments to start stablising and improving Javascript...

There was a time where circular references between objects resulted in them never being garbage collected. That was only a few years ago.

Personally I find it worrying but also hilarious at the same time that companies like Google are building their entire empire upon haystacks that represent Javascript.
 
Dj_Jestar said:
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Did you read anything I had wrote?

I was talking about offline functionality. How can you stream a game offline? How can you run an application offline? If you do stream a game what happens with latency? Also how do you feel about paying monthly for a streaming service rather than a one of cost of purchasing a game. How is Steam going to work?

That's what I was on about. Java isn't stable at all. It's one of the most pain in the **** applications there is. I use Java daily for accessing quite a few things (Cisco devices, applications, etc.) and you have to use several different versions of Java to access them. When it was MS Java it wasn't too bad as you'd have one version installed.

You could put that down to poor support by Cisco, etc. but this is the real World and most manufacturers won't be constantly updating there products for every version of Java - also it brings into light which version of Java is it going to support - if it uses it's own then it's going to set Europe alight with anti-competition and if it uses Sun.. well Sun's java is (a) rubbish and (b) has compatibility problems with older versions of it's own Java (i.e. something that runs on java v1 won't neccessarily work on java v2)



M.

P.S. You can still program incorrectly with HTML and cause browser crashes. If this is the case then surely, as the O/S is browser based, this could cause you to have to restart the O/S.
 
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m4cc45 said:
Did you read anything I had wrote?

I was talking about offline functionality. How can you stream a game offline? How can you run an application offline? If you do stream a game what happens with latency? Also how do you feel about paying monthly for a streaming service rather than a one of cost of purchasing a game. How is Steam going to work?

That's what I was on about. Java isn't stable at all. It's one of the most pain in the **** applications there is. I use Java daily for accessing quite a few things (Cisco devices, applications, etc.) and you have to use several different versions of Java to access them. When it was MS Java it wasn't too bad as you'd have one version installed.

You could put that down to poor support by Cisco, etc. but this is the real World and most manufacturers won't be constantly updating there products for every version of Java - also it brings into light which version of Java is it going to support - if it uses it's own then it's going to set Europe alight with anti-competition and if it uses Sun.. well Sun's java is (a) rubbish and (b) has compatibility problems with older versions of it's own Java (i.e. something that runs on java v1 won't neccessarily work on java v2)



M.
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Er.. no? I'm a software developer, and Java gives me next to the least problems (only Smalltalk is less problematic). C#, C/C++, ASP, VB, all have massive problems.

Who said there will be an offline mode? Who said they will support Steam? Again, this is not Windows. It is Google's OS. Get over the fact that you just want Windows and see that they are making a *new* OS.
P.S. You can still program incorrectly with HTML and cause browser crashes. If this is the case then surely, as the O/S is browser based, this could cause you to have to restart the O/S.
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You've just confirmed you have no idea what you are talking about. Malformed HTML does not crash anything.
 
C# has massive problems? :p


What are we talking about here? I always assume when people use "Java" in the same sentence as CSS and HTML etc that they really meant Javascript... and of course everybody knows that the two are vastly different animals with no relation.
 
Dj_Jestar said:
Er.. no? I'm a software developer, and Java gives me next to the least problems (only Smalltalk is less problematic). C#, C/C++, ASP, VB, all have massive problems.
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I'm in a lab of software developers and from the quick straw poll I took, it's really not that simple. It's not down the language in many cases, it's down to preference.
 
Burnsy2023 said:
Java and Javascript are two very different beasts. Don't confuse them.
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I'm not confusing them.

Generally any app that relies on javaRE has a slow and clunky feel to it, well, the mainstream apps that I've tried anyway.

for example, azureus. that brings old systems to their knees, wheras utorrent will run on practically anything

i know it's built to be a multi platform environment, but when doing java and .net in uni, java seemed almost pointless in comparison
 
NathanE said:
C# has massive problems? :p


What are we talking about here? I always assume when people use "Java" in the same sentence as CSS and HTML etc that they really meant Javascript... and of course everybody knows that the two are vastly different animals with no relation.
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Simply put.. COM and the shambles that Microsoft have labelled "Interoperability" :)
 
Burnsy2023 said:
I'm in a lab of software developers and from the quick straw poll I took, it's really not that simple. It's not down the language in many cases, it's down to preference.
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I disagree. :) Each language has problems because of their very own design flaws. Some have greater flaws/number of flaws than others.
 
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