Has anyone wondered just how much the UK as a global power declined in last the 100 years? Are we the new roman empire?
We went from being the world super power to literally at best, in future a slightly worse version of Australia or Canada due to lack of resources and larger population. Destined to be arm wrestled by EU just as Canada is with USA and Australia is with China.
How did we do this to ourselves? Why do brexiteers believe that all of sudden we are on verge of greatness? Would it not be more ‘great’ to gain control of EU from within to suit our agenda? After all, we were the leading member together with France and Germany. Why did we not invest more into taking more leadership and control in matters. We have/had closer ties to USA which we could have used to enforce our position in EU above france and germany if we really put our minds to it. I mean we literally could have been the key deciding member of whole Europe.
I mean even looking at russia, who in past 100 years had revolution, world wars, cold war loss and oligarchy - they still did not fall as much as we did. For right or wrong they are still clawing back to their ‘greatness’ futile or not. Against whole west world and economic system. Trying to warp it to their benefit as outsiders.
France, Germany, USA, Russia even Turkey are all trying to gain ‘power’ on world arena. The big players are making moves after decades of status quo.
We had so many opportunities to project our power and we really just gave it all up. After loss of the empire we still had all the tools to take control of EU and be forefront runner. Germany and France have been relatively weak and we could have utilized strings with US to apply pressure to get our agenda at forefront of the union above their heads.
We already got away with things no one in EU even dreamed of. We were always the ‘privileged ones’ without even trying.
I know this post goes against the whole ‘we love peace and happiness’ but reality is that look at France and even Germany. They are both gearing up for more and more power accumulation. US, China, Russia, Turkey, France, Germany. All these countries are on roads to expand influence. What are we doing? What is our plan? Survive brexit without starving? From a country that pretty much created modern financial system and law as we know it? Not long ago we pretty much were key in running world finances. Not because we are pretty but because its our system, we made it. How on earth do you just give it away. Its literally one of biggest power projections there is.
Its just such a crazy, accelerated internal implosion of power under guise of ‘greatness’ it almost seems like sabotage. Maybe KGB did do its job and just maybe the US will follow the UK footsteps in future.
And finally, again it sounds awful but the idea that France or other EU members can even consider arm twisting us into anything just irks me based on our history and what we could have been post our victory in ww2 and cold war. Its like modern Americans being excited about trade deal with Japan and worried about Canada or Mexico not giving them a good trade deal. It doesnt even cross their mind. The idea that Canada is going to threaten US with trade deal is laughable. This should have been UK with any European country. All I see is ****** away potential to be a global powerhouse when we had all the tools. We live in world that was carved as result of WW2 and Cold war. We won in both and yet it feels like we lost. both.
We went from being the world super power to literally at best, in future a slightly worse version of Australia or Canada due to lack of resources and larger population. Destined to be arm wrestled by EU just as Canada is with USA and Australia is with China.
How did we do this to ourselves? Why do brexiteers believe that all of sudden we are on verge of greatness? Would it not be more ‘great’ to gain control of EU from within to suit our agenda? After all, we were the leading member together with France and Germany. Why did we not invest more into taking more leadership and control in matters. We have/had closer ties to USA which we could have used to enforce our position in EU above france and germany if we really put our minds to it. I mean we literally could have been the key deciding member of whole Europe.
I mean even looking at russia, who in past 100 years had revolution, world wars, cold war loss and oligarchy - they still did not fall as much as we did. For right or wrong they are still clawing back to their ‘greatness’ futile or not. Against whole west world and economic system. Trying to warp it to their benefit as outsiders.
France, Germany, USA, Russia even Turkey are all trying to gain ‘power’ on world arena. The big players are making moves after decades of status quo.
We had so many opportunities to project our power and we really just gave it all up. After loss of the empire we still had all the tools to take control of EU and be forefront runner. Germany and France have been relatively weak and we could have utilized strings with US to apply pressure to get our agenda at forefront of the union above their heads.
We already got away with things no one in EU even dreamed of. We were always the ‘privileged ones’ without even trying.
I know this post goes against the whole ‘we love peace and happiness’ but reality is that look at France and even Germany. They are both gearing up for more and more power accumulation. US, China, Russia, Turkey, France, Germany. All these countries are on roads to expand influence. What are we doing? What is our plan? Survive brexit without starving? From a country that pretty much created modern financial system and law as we know it? Not long ago we pretty much were key in running world finances. Not because we are pretty but because its our system, we made it. How on earth do you just give it away. Its literally one of biggest power projections there is.
Its just such a crazy, accelerated internal implosion of power under guise of ‘greatness’ it almost seems like sabotage. Maybe KGB did do its job and just maybe the US will follow the UK footsteps in future.
And finally, again it sounds awful but the idea that France or other EU members can even consider arm twisting us into anything just irks me based on our history and what we could have been post our victory in ww2 and cold war. Its like modern Americans being excited about trade deal with Japan and worried about Canada or Mexico not giving them a good trade deal. It doesnt even cross their mind. The idea that Canada is going to threaten US with trade deal is laughable. This should have been UK with any European country. All I see is ****** away potential to be a global powerhouse when we had all the tools. We live in world that was carved as result of WW2 and Cold war. We won in both and yet it feels like we lost. both.
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