The Greys...

gurusan · 9 Nov 2009 at 09:38

I have had sleep paralysis before and TBH was thinking of aliens lol. I saw very bright lights coming from outside my house through the blinds and heard a really loud WA WA WA WA where sound was chopped up. It sounded exactly like what you hear if you have ever done N2O. What was really weird was that I was seized with this crazy panic. Then I woke up and all was normal.

It's some kind of bizarre 1/2 awake 1/2 asleep state where you are aware of your surroundings but dream elements can be imposed on them.

krooton · 9 Nov 2009 at 10:06

gurusan said:
I have had sleep paralysis before and TBH was thinking of aliens lol. I saw very bright lights coming from outside my house through the blinds and heard a really loud WA WA WA WA where sound was chopped up. It sounded exactly like what you hear if you have ever done N2O. What was really weird was that I was seized with this crazy panic. Then I woke up and all was normal.

It's some kind of bizarre 1/2 awake 1/2 asleep state where you are aware of your surroundings but dream elements can be imposed on them.

I've had it a number of times. It's just your mind being vaguely awake when your body isn't, and doesn't respond.

Skidder · 9 Nov 2009 at 10:11

If people just recognise sleep paralysis for what it is, an entire industry of documentary film makers, writers, regressers and de-probers will be put out of business. Be careful people, it's people's livelihoods you're messing with.

I have seen a UFO, in the actual sense of the phrase, but have no doubt that it was nothing out of the ordinary if I had all the facts at my disposal.

Surfer · 9 Nov 2009 at 12:16

AcidHell2 said:
we may not understand it, but we have got video cameras and other equipment measuring what is happening. We know that the reason you can't move is the normal sleep reaction and not being injected or what not by aliens. we also know no physical being has entered the room whilst people are suffering sleep paralysis.

Well i agree with the above although calling it "normal sleep reaction" is a bit much when what we call a normal event is based on the theory that if we were not paralysed then we would be acting out our dreams, causing a danger to ourselves and others. So we hypothesise and try to explain the event -afterwards-. Now it would be a bit ridiculous for me to argue against the very basis of how we explain hitherto unexplained events. I'm just saying its very limited (human understanding).

True there may be no physical person entering the room but not all that exists is physical (and thereby visible/tangible to our level of interaction.)

Perceiving and understanding new phenomena is as much about the methodology and tools you use to try to understand it as it is about the phenomena itself.

Nothing is the lack of anything, something that doesn't exist in the universe. There's always something.

hrmm would you say your mind was a nothing? (slightly unrelated to topic)

Glaucus · 9 Nov 2009 at 12:20

Surfer said:
Well i agree with the above although calling it "normal sleep reaction" is a bit much when what we call a normal event is based on the theory that if we were not paralysed then we would be acting out our dreams, causing a danger to ourselves and others. So we hypothesise and try to explain the event -afterwards-. Now it would be a bit ridiculous for me to argue against the very basis of how we explain hitherto unexplained events. I'm just saying its very limited (human understanding).

True there may be no physical person entering the room but not all that exists is physical (and thereby visible/tangible to our level of interaction.)

But we can see what is happening as I said brain wave and the normal paralysis is nothing different from normal sleep which is why I said normal sleep reaction.

Surfer said:
Would you say your mind was a nothing?

I don't understand where you are going, But of course the mind is something. millions of neurones, electrical charges, hormones, chemicals and a million and one other things.

Nothing would be a true vacuum with no no EM spectrum passing through it and absolutely nothing else in or acting on it.

Surfer · 9 Nov 2009 at 12:25

Ahh you're a materialist

checjb · 9 Nov 2009 at 12:36

codec said:
seriously - if aliens wanted to test on humans - they could just take one and clone them why risk getting caught.

If the aliens do exist and can travel here (either in normal space or via a dimensional jump (oh wow, I sound like majick!)) then it would be safe to assume their technology is quite a long way ahead of ours. If all that were true I doubt we'd be much of a threat so the risk would be minimal. However, your point about cloning is valid. Hell, if mankind can do it...

MikeHunt79 · 9 Nov 2009 at 12:47

swanseajack said:
With all the reports from around the world and people describing the same beings abducting them, do you think that they are all lying.

Isn't it funny that a couple of people can claim to see the virgin mary and its a miracle, while thousands of people describe the same alien beings and are branded nutters!!!

I think the media has a big part to play here, in fact even if someone in a respected position of society such as a police officer comes forward and claims he's seen a UFO, you can bet the media will still make him/her out to be mentally unstable...

When something religious is in the news, you'll find the spin is very different...

Glaucus · 9 Nov 2009 at 13:22

Surfer said:
Ahh you're a materialist

And what's that meant to mean?

Surfer · 9 Nov 2009 at 13:45

AcidHell2 said:
And what's that meant to mean?

Scientific materialism/physicalism broadly speaking.

But of course the mind is something. millions of neurones, electrical charges, hormones, chemicals and a million and one other things.

gillywibble · 9 Nov 2009 at 13:48

How many people do you know personally that have been abducted?

Glaucus · 9 Nov 2009 at 13:52

Surfer said:
Scientific materialism/physicalism broadly speaking.

Which means what in your view, seeing as you seem smug by saying it.

I suppose you mean that I dismiss everything else. Which I don't. IF phenomena exist like telepathy for example. Then it will still have a mechanism behind it. It still isn't some magic from nothing

Surfer · 9 Nov 2009 at 14:53

AcidHell2 said:
Which means what in your view, seeing as you seem smug by saying it.

I suppose you mean that I dismiss everything else. Which I don't. IF phenomena exist like telepathy for example. Then it will still have a mechanism behind it. It still isn't some magic from nothing

Does the wheels on the cart determine its direction?

I dont agree with overly reductionist explanatory methods to "explain" phenomena. Because it doesnt really explain anything at all.

e.g. your explanation of the mind in terms of its "physical" attributes, dont really agree with that.

I also dont think you can split it (the issue) down the middle to either be in the scientific/brain explanation camp or the spiritual/alien/supernatural/magic camp. It denigrates one side in favour of the other and disallows any other propositions that dont fit into either camp.

Ultimately what i'm saying is: whatever belief system you hold to (e.g. science

) - as much as is possible it should not contaminate unique phenomena especially if that very phenomena allows the possibility of growth.

If you box something up and put a label on it - do you know what it is?
Is that the end of the inquiry? I dont think so.
And furthermore how much does knowledge of something actually mean "control" over something....

Glaucus · 9 Nov 2009 at 15:05

Surfer said:
Does the wheels on the cart determine its direction?

what cart what wheels. just rubbish mumbojumbo.

Surfer said:
I dont agree with overly reductionist explanatory methods to "explain" phenomena. Because it doesnt really explain anything at all.

it's nly oversimplification if it is missing parts of the method, mechanism.

Surfer said:
e.g. your explanation of the mind in terms of its "physical" attributes, dont really agree with that.

that is the physic attributes of the mind though. you can not get away from that. whether there is anything more is unkowen, but no evidence at the moment to suggest there is.

Surfer said:
I also dont think you can split it (the issue) down the middle to either be in the scientific/brain explanation camp or the spiritual/alien/supernatural/magic camp. It denigrates one side in favour of the other and disallows any other propositions that dont fit into either camp.

but if it exists then it becomes part of the science camp. The thing with alien//spirtual/magic camp is the lack of evidence. As soon as evidence is provided then science can start working on theorys and tests. This is where you are missing the point. It's not that people are splitting it down the middle it''s the lack of evidence as soon as you have evidence science has to respond and it will be included.

Surfer said:
Ultimately what i'm saying is: whatever belief system you hold to (e.g. science ) - as much as is possible it should not contaminate unique phenomena especially if that very phenomena allows the possibility of growth.

and it doesn't.

Surfer said:
If you box something up and put a label on it - do you know what it is?
Is that the end of the inquiry? I don't think so.
And furthermore how much does knowledge of something actually mean "control" over something....

Of course not. but without evidence you can't have an inquiry. No Knowledge does not mean control. We have knowledge of many things, but we don't have control of them.

There are lots of ufo videos which aren't fake. But there is no evidence of alien UFOs so far, however with certain types of ufo there are string correlations to natural phanomina like earthquakes.
You have to split UFo and such into many many things. Because they aren't or probably aren't caused by the something. So pointless looking at them as a whole collection.

ethan · 9 Nov 2009 at 21:18

Why not, something as odd as sleep paralyisis is terrifying when you don't know what it is, I expect many many abductions/alien meetings are due to sleep paralysis.

I expect a very small percentage may be, but not nearly enough as you would have us believe, since examination of the complexities of the phenomena is more likely to lead to people not having "experiences" of alien abduction or experiences of something else . In any event, an explanation that tries to target all experiences with the same brush is no real explanation at all. It is more likely that a great majority of experiences can be explained away by mental state, medication and downright lying which still does not discount the possibility of abduction either.