The hypocrisy of the F.A.
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And this in all honesty.
Wasnt surprised in the slightest that Vermaelen didnt get his red card rescinded...i thought it was a waste of time in all honesty...as if the FA were going to rescind a red card...they are as useless as UEFA and FIFA put together.
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Rio put his arm in to Fagans face. There was nothing unlucky about it, Rio knew what he was doing. Seriously, how can you even defend him?
No, Masch didn't do "exactly the same".
Let me guess, your a Liverpool fan - Not sure how you can class Rio's as an elbow, looked like a forearm to me. I'm not saying Rio didn't deserve the ban I am saying that Gerrard's should have had the same punishment.
How can you say Mascherano's wasnt exactly the same? I don't understand that. Rio couldn't see where Fagan was and was simply trying to shrug him off the same as Mascherano was doing both caught the opposing player in the BACK of the head with a forearm
Gerrard knew exactly where Brown was and actually lead in with his elbow first and Brown ended up on the floor. Did Fagan end up on the floor?
The bottom line is the FA are hypocrites and something seriously needs to change. How they can justify Rio getting a 4 match ban and Gerrard/Mascherano getting off scot-free I will never understand.
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Of course I'm biased, but the Arguement still stands that Rio didn't elbow Fagan's face. It was his forearm and the back of Fagan's head. Exactly the same as what Mascherano did to Beckford.
So you still stand by your statement that Rio elbow'ed Fagan in the face? It was clearly his forearm
So you still stand by your statement that Rio elbow'ed Fagan in the face? It was clearly his forearm
Point out in this thread where I said Rio elbow'ed Fagan in the face?
Edit, what statement?
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I actually dont understand what he's arguing about now, because he seems to be contradicting himself. First he says Gerrard's was much worse and Rio should've been let off because he was "unlucky to catch him" and now he's saying "I'm not saying Rio didn't deserve the ban I am saying that Gerrard's should have had the same punishment.". Which I said earlier in the thread anyway.
And then he goes back to say Rio was just trying to shrug Fagan off, in the same post no less. It's pretty much completely irrelevant whether it was a forearm or an elbow, it's the intent that matters.
If we're splitting hairs then Gerrard really used his forearm and not his elbow and if it was Miguel describing the same incident with Rio it'd probably read something like "used his forearm to lever Brown out of the way". Pointless arguing with him.
And then he goes back to say Rio was just trying to shrug Fagan off, in the same post no less. It's pretty much completely irrelevant whether it was a forearm or an elbow, it's the intent that matters.
If we're splitting hairs then Gerrard really used his forearm and not his elbow and if it was Miguel describing the same incident with Rio it'd probably read something like "used his forearm to lever Brown out of the way". Pointless arguing with him.
Apologies it was Burned Alive who called it an elbow!
The point I was trying to make is that Gerrard's ELBOW was much worse than Rio's forearm and akin to Mascherano's forearm and yet both Gerrard and Mascherano escaped punishment.
Not once have I said Rio didn't deserve the ban. I am trying to point out the fact that in both Gerrard's and Mascherano's case they were both the same/worse than Rio's and yet they both got off scot-free. Both are examples of the FA being useless with no transparency.
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Apologies it was Burned Alive who called it an elbow!
The point I was trying to make is that Gerrard's ELBOW was much worse than Rio's forearm and akin to Mascherano's forearm and yet both Gerrard and Mascherano escaped punishment.
Not once have I said Rio didn't deserve the ban. I am trying to point out the fact that in both Gerrard's and Mascherano's case they were both the same/worse than Rio's and yet they both got off scot-free. Both are examples of the FA being useless with no transparency.
Funny, it's even being discussed as a forearm incident on redcafe, who are fairly agressive in their hate for Liverpool and Gerrard. And it amuses me that you excuse Rio by saying:
Well, the same goes for Gerrard, it was his forearm and the back of Brown's head.
From my point of view, there's clearly intent from Gerrard and Rio and I couldnt seperate either, both deserved to be banned, Gerrard just got lucky that the referee felt he dealt with it and therefore the FA had their hands tied anyway.
You did imply that Rio didnt deserve the ban, by saying:
as if it was some sort of freak accident, when clearly it wasnt.
However I do agree with you that Gerrard and Mascherano should've both been subject to the same punishment as Rio, but it would seem that in both cases the referee has felt he dealt with it there and then and so again, the FA cant do anything about it. Stupid rules, but still the rules.
I don't read redcafe as it is a pile of tosh. Beg's the question why you would be reading it as a Liverpool fan though, weird. Everywhere else I have read describes it as an elbow and from seeing the incident multiple times it is a clear elbow, whereas Rio's is a clear forearm.
In my opinion I agree both incidents deserved a ban. Rio was unlucky with his ban in that the same intent wasn't there. Similarly to the Rio forearm, the intent wasn't there with the Mascherano forearm. Gerrard's intent of hitting the player in the back of the head with his elbow was clear to see as Gerrard came from behind him and could see exactly where his elbow was going to land.
You are clearly putting words into my mouth and misconstruing the quote above. Not once have I said he should have got off without a ban for the forearm into Fagan's head and that it was a freak accident. I merely said if it was anywhere else he would have got off without a ban and that he was unlucky to hit him where he did. Compare this to Gerrards clear elbow in which the intent was there as Gerrard could see exactly where his elbow was landing.
The fact is that Rio's and Mascherano's were identical and the referee didn't see either at the time. Alan Wiley ruled that he wouldn't have sent Mascherano off at the time, whereas Steve Bennett ruled that he would have sent Rio off for Violent Conduct.
Getting back on topic, the Bottom line is the FA are a joke and some transparency needs in these decisions need to be brought in. Luckily the Rio 4 match ban looks like it won't affect our 19th League Title and 4th Premier League Title in a row.
