The Martial Arts discussion thread

rotters · 23 Nov 2009 at 12:10

thought it would be nice to discuss favourite throws, ask advice..........you know what i mean.

well im an orange belt with 3 mons in TJF jui jitsu, im currently in the process of honing my green belt throws as i have my grading on december the 13th.

my current favourite throw is tsuri komi goshi or ippon seoi nagi. quite partial to a good irimi nage hehe.

so let the discussions flow.

The IPB · 23 Nov 2009 at 12:16

I'm a Brown belt in Judo and my favourite throws are Hiza Guruma (Knee Wheel), Morote-Gari (Double leg takedown) and Harai Goshi.

rotters · 23 Nov 2009 at 13:40

ive just looked the first two up and they're sweet, i like harai goshi too being fairly short.

Jonesiani · 23 Nov 2009 at 17:11

I've studied Tae Kwon-Do for 16 years. At this moment in time i'm training towards my 4th Dan, but also doing quite a bit of teaching, so the training toward 4th Dan is taking longer.
We don't do many throws in our martial art, but some of my favourite techniques are as follows....

Jab - Lethal in it's own right. Over the years i've managed to develop a extreamly fast, and powerful jab. Lots of fun when showing new students.

Double turning kick - (first to the midsection second to the head) when sparing. Again done very quickly.

Split kick

Reverse Knife Hand - I do a nice air break with this.

BigPapaP · 23 Nov 2009 at 17:14

I did study Wing Chun for a little bit but due to health reasons, i had to stop, but I love wing chun, good science!

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-VK- · 23 Nov 2009 at 17:17

12 years of Shotokan Karate, 2 years of Krav Maga and the odd bit of Kickboxing / Muay Thai spread throughout. Krav Maga is definitely my favourite discipline, due to it's non-competitive focus and it's application in "real life" situations.

The IPB · 23 Nov 2009 at 21:58

Jonesiani said:
I've studied Tae Kwon-Do for 16 years. At this moment in time i'm training towards my 4th Dan, but also doing quite a bit of teaching, so the training toward 4th Dan is taking longer.
We don't do many throws in our martial art, but some of my favourite techniques are as follows....

Jab - Lethal in it's own right. Over the years i've managed to develop a extreamly fast, and powerful jab. Lots of fun when showing new students.

Double turning kick - (first to the midsection second to the head) when sparing. Again done very quickly.

Split kick

Reverse Knife Hand - I do a nice air break with this.

Are there 2 variations of TKD the sport variant and the actual art, because at the olympics you see very limited punching and they all hold their hands at their hips. Just asking for a punch in the face hehe. Not bashing your art just wonder if there are 2 different routes.

Xordium · 23 Nov 2009 at 22:27

Muay Thai clinch - elbows into their neck + hands on the crown of the head not on the neck like most people do. Get it right and your opponent is a puppet to where you want to direct their balance which is normally the point of a knee

osc89er · 24 Nov 2009 at 11:10

Dkore-DeX said:
Are there 2 variations of TKD the sport variant and the actual art, because at the olympics you see very limited punching and they all hold their hands at their hips. Just asking for a punch in the face hehe. Not bashing your art just wonder if there are 2 different routes.

Pretty much. The WTF and the ITKF I believe they are called. The two took quite different paths many years ago.

I, too, think that the hands down sparring position looks a bit funny. As I understand it, punches are permitted and technically would score but the competitors still aren't interested...

Jonesiani · 24 Nov 2009 at 16:26

The olympic style is WTF, and im my opinion, is more of a sport.

We practice the ITF style, very traditional, lots of patterns, theory, and control.

TheBrooder · 24 Nov 2009 at 16:32

did 8 years of Shotokan when I was younger, nowadays I just watch UFC wishing it was around when I was still training ...

Mat · 24 Nov 2009 at 19:58

Jonesiani said:
I've studied Tae Kwon-Do for 16 years. At this moment in time i'm training towards my 4th Dan, but also doing quite a bit of teaching, so the training toward 4th Dan is taking longer.
We don't do many throws in our martial art, but some of my favourite techniques are as follows....

Jab - Lethal in it's own right. Over the years i've managed to develop a extreamly fast, and powerful jab. Lots of fun when showing new students.

Double turning kick - (first to the midsection second to the head) when sparing. Again done very quickly.

Split kick

Reverse Knife Hand - I do a nice air break with this.

14 years under my black belt for me and I'm also heading for 4th degree. Can't beat a nice reverse turning kick in my opinion

Dkore-DeX said:
Are there 2 variations of TKD the sport variant and the actual art, because at the olympics you see very limited punching and they all hold their hands at their hips. Just asking for a punch in the face hehe. Not bashing your art just wonder if there are 2 different routes.

They're World TKD Federation and International TKD Federation and they're both full arts rather than a sport variant and an art variant. Unfortunately the Olympics use WTF competition rules which are far less interesting to watch than ITF rules (the scoring is slightly different), however they are blisteringly fast! If you've ever seen Warren Vice fight you'll know what I mean about interesting to watch

Jonesiani · 24 Nov 2009 at 20:18

Mat said:
14 years under my black belt for me and I'm also heading for 4th degree. Can't beat a nice reverse turning kick in my opinion

They're World TKD Federation and International TKD Federation and they're both full arts rather than a sport variant and an art variant. Unfortunately the Olympics use WTF competition rules which are far less interesting to watch than ITF rules (the scoring is slightly different), however they are blisteringly fast!

Nice one. I do like the reverse turning kick, looks great and can harness a lot of power. Practicallity on the street is debateable though

I'm studying pattern Yoo Sin at the moment. Great pattern.

Mat · 24 Nov 2009 at 20:27

Jonesiani said:
Nice one. I do like the reverse turning kick, looks great and can harness a lot of power. Practicallity on the street is debateable though

I'm studying pattern Yoo Sin at the moment. Great pattern.

Practicality and application is a whole different topic and probably too big for this forum!

Are you working on Choi-Yong and Sam-Il as well?

Microwave · 24 Nov 2009 at 20:33

I started ITF taekwondo at uni I'm currently a green belt, going for my blue tag this Friday!

I practice a lot, especially compared to my peers as I'm really keen to advance and get as competent as possible.

I'm really getting the hang of breaking and putting more power into the techniques whilst still keeping control.

Jonesiani · 24 Nov 2009 at 21:55

Mat said:
Practicality and application is a whole different topic and probably too big for this forum!

Are you working on Choi-Yong and Sam-Il as well?

I started with Sam-Il a few years back, moved onto Yoo Sin, and Choi-Yong is yet to be looked at.
Just out of interest, when taking your 3rd Dan did you learn Ko-Dang, or Juche? I learnt Ko-Dang for my grading, but i also looked briefly at Juche.

Jonesiani · 24 Nov 2009 at 22:00

Microwave said:
I started ITF taekwondo at uni I'm currently a green belt, going for my blue tag this Friday!

I practice a lot, especially compared to my peers as I'm really keen to advance and get as competent as possible.

I'm really getting the hang of breaking and putting more power into the techniques whilst still keeping control.

Good stuff, practice makes perfect as we all know.

I learnt the hard way when breaking. I never really struggled with it, until one nightmare break i had. I was doing a single punch, but on 3 1 inch thick pine boards. Bearing in mind i'd done 2 boards with other hand techniques ok over the years, and multiple board breaks with foot technique, i didn't really think in my mind they'd be a problem.
I was wrong, i hit the boards, hard, and they didn't budge. I composed myself, and hit again, the back board shattered and the front two still didnt budge.
I finished the 2 remaining boards off with reverse knife hand. But still to this day the 2 striking knuckles on my right hand are larger and flatter than those on my left.
Man that hurt.

panthro · 25 Nov 2009 at 01:57

Jonesiani said:
I started with Sam-Il a few years back, moved onto Yoo Sin, and Choi-Yong is yet to be looked at.
Just out of interest, when taking your 3rd Dan did you learn Ko-Dang, or Juche? I learnt Ko-Dang for my grading, but i also looked briefly at Juche.

Interesting, Ko-Dang was replaced with Juche quite a few years ago, but a lot of federations still teach Ko-Dang. Which federation are you with?

Go-Dang
고당 - 39 movements

Go-Dang (or Ko-Dang) was one of the original 24 patterns created by General Choi. In the early 1980s, however, Kodang was removed from the official syllabus by General Choi and replaced by a new pattern which he named Juche. Go-Dang was a famous South Korean anti-communist, and when Choi began to spread his art throughout the world, and to North Korea in particular, he removed this pattern so as not to offend anyone. Although no longer part of official ITF Taekwondo, Kodang is still included in the syllabi of many Taekwondo organisations. In those organisations where it is still taught, it is generally taught to students at the level of second dan black belt. It consists of a sequence of 39 individual techniques. Although some sources lead to the deduction that Kodang is exactly the same pattern as Juche, they are in fact two completely different patterns.

Mat · 25 Nov 2009 at 11:20

Jonesiani said:
I started with Sam-Il a few years back, moved onto Yoo Sin, and Choi-Yong is yet to be looked at.
Just out of interest, when taking your 3rd Dan did you learn Ko-Dang, or Juche? I learnt Ko-Dang for my grading, but i also looked briefly at Juche.

I did Ko-Dang. Nice little pattern that, it used to impress the kids when I taught in Cambridge.

NickK · 26 Nov 2009 at 00:56

Kickboxing here. I got to 5th kyu (10->1 then black) but stopped for numerous reasons (mainly time). I used to train sunday, monday, tuesday, wednesday and thursday both the seniors and the beginners.
We'd be required to break with both hands and feet.