The Mustang handling thread

eidolon · 31 Jul 2007 at 11:05

Dolph said:
Well, certainly pre-revision, the one I drove (1998 VVC model, drove it in 1999 so it wasn't old and knackered) handled like a boring FWD shopping trolly, understeering everywhere no matter what you did unless you used a really brutal flick technique to get it to do something interesting.

It certainly didn't handle like a mid engined, RWD sports car.

Before getting the MGF I thought it was going to handle like a dog. As my previous car was an MR2 with expensive coilover suspension and my current other car is a Lotus Elise there was no way it could compare. Rather surprisingly it did compare, and very favourably too which totally shocked me to say the least!

I can't comment on the one you drove but mine's far better than what I was expecting. Rest of the car is crap though

panthro · 31 Jul 2007 at 11:08

Roush spend about 4k on the suspension upgrades to make their Mustangs handle reasonably well.

Lashout_UK · 31 Jul 2007 at 11:56

I love the 'American cars can't and won't handle' blanket statement, as declared.

All seems rather ironic, when back in the '80s when the first-gen C4 Corvette was released and proclaimed as the best handling car in the world by testers of the time, with Lotus developed suspension?

Again, as mentioned, just seems to be "I haven't driven one/know anything about one - yet am qualified to state what I consider to be factual truth"

Just me 0.2c

Gibbo · 31 Jul 2007 at 11:57

panthro said:
Roush spend about 4k on the suspension upgrades to make their Mustangs handle reasonably well.

No they don't!

Am very tired of the armchair experts on these forums.

thecremeegg · 31 Jul 2007 at 12:07

Thought you had sold the mustang gibbo? are you jusy too lazy to change your sig or was there a problem?

panthro · 31 Jul 2007 at 12:17

Gibbo said:
No they don't!

Am very tired of the armchair experts on these forums.

OK, dont have to go accusing people of being an armchair expert :rolleyes:

Im just saying what I saw on Top Gear. On their 420bhp model.

divine` · 31 Jul 2007 at 12:24

Gibbo said:
No they don't!

Am very tired of the armchair experts on these forums.

It would be helpful if you could perhaps inform those who are evidently so wrong, what the actual figure is?

"No they don't" doesn't really leave anyone better off...

SDK^ · 31 Jul 2007 at 12:27

Dolph said:
Conventional wisdom says the engine in the 911 is in totally, utterly the wrong place.

Ultimately it is in the wrong place.
Porsche have spent years engineering the handling around the problem and to a certain extent they have succeeded in making it work but if they had spent the same time engineering a mid-engine car it would be much improved to the 911 now.

A recent edition of EVO proved this where a Cayman came very close to topping a 911 around a track. Put the 30+ year's development into the Cayman and the 911 spec parts and see it fly

So for these reasons it's my opinion that it's about time Porsche dropped the extreme rear engine layout.

Gibbo · 31 Jul 2007 at 12:28

panthro said:
OK, dont have to go accusing people of being an armchair expert Im just saying what I saw on Top Gear. On their 420bhp model.

HI there

For 4k you'd get the brakes, suspension, wheels at least with plenty of change left over.

Spie · 31 Jul 2007 at 12:28

Gibbo is working and has more productive things to do than post detailed responses to flawed comments.

I've been in his car and it handles pretty damn well. Not the best, but a very long way from crap.

Gibbo · 31 Jul 2007 at 12:29

divine_madness said:
It would be helpful if you could perhaps inform those who are evidently so wrong, what the actual figure is?

"No they don't" doesn't really leave anyone better off...

Hi there

Already done that several times.

However for one last time I shall do it again this evening, in great detail what are the best mods to do, how much they cost and where to buy from.

Spie said:
Gibbo is working and has more productive things to do than post detailed responses to flawed comments.

I've been in his car and it handles pretty damn well. Not the best, but a very long way from crap.

The boss man said it! I am very busy today as OcUK business levels are that of Christmas time.

Lashout_UK · 31 Jul 2007 at 12:32

Im just saying what I saw on Top Gear

That's where your argument falls apart

divine` · 31 Jul 2007 at 12:33

Spie said:
Gibbo is working and has more productive things to do than post detailed responses to flawed comments.

Gibbo said:
However for one last time I shall do it again this evening, in great detail what are the best mods to do, how much they cost and where to buy from.

I didn't ask for a detailed comment.

Just something like "they actually 'spend' $1,500 not $4,000"

(which, as far as I can see from browsing Roush's painfully slow site, is how much their complete suspension package retails for)

Spie · 31 Jul 2007 at 12:37

divine_madness said:
I didn't ask for a detailed comment.

Just something like "they actually 'spend' $1,500 not $4,000"

(which, as far as I can see from browsing Roush's painfully slow site, is how much their complete suspension package retails for)

Then cut out the sarcasm in future. Posting comments like this isn't acceptable.

divine_madness said:
It would be helpful if you could perhaps inform those who are evidently so wrong, what the actual figure is?

"No they don't" doesn't really leave anyone better off...

divine` · 31 Jul 2007 at 12:53

I'll admit the tone was off but the point is the same, if everyone just posted "No, you're wrong" these boards would suffer for it.

FakeSnake · 31 Jul 2007 at 12:54

panthro said:
OK, dont have to go accusing people of being an armchair expert Im just saying what I saw on Top Gear. On their 420bhp model.

on that statement alone does it not make you inherently an armchair expert?

Spie · 31 Jul 2007 at 12:56

divine_madness said:
I'll admit the tone was off but the point is the same, if everyone just posted "No, you're wrong" these boards would suffer for it.

The boards would suffer if bad manners were allowed to become commonplace too. You owe Gibbo an apology.

divine` · 31 Jul 2007 at 12:58

Spie said:
The boards would suffer if bad manners were allowed to become commonplace too. You owe Gibbo an apology.

Gibbo, I apologise for my sarcastic comment in response to your post

[TW]Fox · 31 Jul 2007 at 12:58

Gibbo said:
No they don't!

Am very tired of the armchair experts on these forums.

Was this the same sort of Armchair Expertise that said the 911 C4S was heavy and cumbersome?

Housey · 31 Jul 2007 at 12:59

SDK^ said:
So for these reasons it's my opinion that it's about time Porsche dropped the extreme rear engine layout.

I have seen this many times of late, but I think everyone misses one very important point when they suggest this....

The 911 has 4 seats!

Never get me in the rear, or anyone over 5 foot really, but you would be amazed how many people buy a 911 over the competition down to the fact it has 4 seats. I was with 2 friends last night, both of who bought the 911 because it allows them to travel 4 up. Wife, 2 small kids, bags, sorted. Can't do that in a Caymen or Boxter, so that leaves you with a challenge of "where can I stick the engine then"...

The 911 is what it is, and they either make it front engined or keep developing it and tweaking it. Now, if they can make a 2" thick flat 6 they might have something

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