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The Next Generation of Graphics APIs
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Soldato
Microsoft didn't wait for that, they seemed to get Nvidia (and AMD) involved from the start so they could have their input. Seems like doing this before you start is better than when you've finished and changing things would be more expensive.
Soldato
Eh?
There is no expense for AMD in regards to Nvidia/Intel support, the balls going to be firmly at their feet in regards to adoption expense-or not if it's to be dismissed.
Is/Was AMD to foot the bill for other vendors support implementation?
DX is DX, it is a different business practice in regards to AMD/Nvidia api support.
There is no expense for AMD in regards to Nvidia/Intel support, the balls going to be firmly at their feet in regards to adoption expense-or not if it's to be dismissed.
Is/Was AMD to foot the bill for other vendors support implementation?
DX is DX, it is a different business practice in regards to AMD/Nvidia api support.
Soldato
Obviously, that still doesn't help anyone as you're underselling it by not making it readily available yet. Many people are already working on DX12.
Perhaps you'd be able to clear up why the SDK is still exclusive?
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Before a new console is launched, do they give away the SDK to any old Tom Dick & Harry? Strategic partners, reliable feedback.
Soldato
What I'm saying is if you got all the people you wanted on-board involved early on they could have their input at the start. If you get everyone involved after you've finished then any input they may have would be expensive to change as you'd have to pay your employees to do more work on it. If they'd done it that way from the start it wouldn't have cost them money to re-work it.
Now the other option is that Microsoft are saying "Come and help us make this as good as we can in a way that will work as well as possible with your hardware", while AMD are saying "We've done it this way, either do it like that or just ****ing do one!". And then in their next breath AMD are saying that they'd like it to be cross-vendor and an industry standard and then blame Nvidia and Intel for not coming on board when they've not made it in any way appealing to do so.
Maybe that was the different business practice you were talking about. Microsoft wanting AMD, Nvidia and Intel on board while AMD want to make it sound like they do when in actual fact they really don't.
Soldato
The different business practice is MS make OS/software, AMD make hardware, that's a fundamental difference.
MS need AMD/Nvidia development partnership, they don't make the hardware.
AMD took the bull by the horns and Frank Sinatra'd it-at their pace in full control, the rest would have had to have been involved from the start sharing costs and time-was there discussion about it between parties, we'll never know.
MS need AMD/Nvidia development partnership, they don't make the hardware.
AMD took the bull by the horns and Frank Sinatra'd it-at their pace in full control, the rest would have had to have been involved from the start sharing costs and time-was there discussion about it between parties, we'll never know.
Soldato
This isn't a console, and yes actually, you do. Least not a screened audience.
Soldato
Soldato
Yes because that answers the question (???) by limited I can confirm that is said liberally. If you applied now, you'd get one.
Plus that's Kinect so not sure what your point is lol.
Still doesn't explain the scrutineering with Mantle.
Plus that's Kinect so not sure what your point is lol.
Still doesn't explain the scrutineering with Mantle.
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Soldato
Doesn't explain taking you serious or not when talking about your DX dev 'contact' when you don't know/ignore early dev access restrictions is standard practice.
Soldato
Oh for crying out loud
Soldato
@Thracks.. thank you very much for clearing up a lot of questions and doubt/confusion in some peoples minds 
To celebrate this good news i am now going to fill my face with some lovely bacon and cheese oatcakes
True Potteries style
To celebrate this good news i am now going to fill my face with some lovely bacon and cheese oatcakes
True Potteries style
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Sorry but I don't understand how did you come to this conclusion?
Mantle's API- solely focusing on advancement of PC gaming and its graphic and improving efficiency and performance of hardware
dx12- multi-purposes API design to support multi-platforms- Xbox, mobile, tablets, phone and PC at the same time
"Unlike Mantle I think DX12 does want to be THE graphics API."
What?
If dx12 REALLY want to be THE (best) graphic API, then they would benefit the most with standalone development like Mantle, and remove support for other platforms from the equation to avoid any potential complications, restrictions or compromise made due to consideration toward other platforms, to become the very best that it can possibly can be.
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