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Praz94 said:
They are hilarious! Yeah the first fight I felt Ortiz was robbed, Wilder was saved by the ref and Ortiz was all over him. To be honest, even in their second fight, Ortiz won every single round against Wilder, but 1 punch had him floored and that was that which was unlucky.

Fury vs AJ would be huge, but I have no doubt in my mind that Fury would beat him comfortably. Wilder has that insane 1 punch power which is a threat to anyone, which AJ just doesnt have. I think AJ would try to outbox Fury and gets schooled. And if he tried going for the approach of trying to KO Fury, he would need to land several combinations to hurt and put down Fury rather than 1 punch. Not saying AJ's weak by any means, as he certainly carries more power than Fury, but hes just not hear Wilder's power, and even Wilder's power couldnt stop Fury in fight 1.
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I don't see Fury vs AJ a foregone conclusion. Wilder stands alone with his freakish power but is poor boxing skills means he literally relies on that one punch connecting. AJ is a very skilled boxer and he hits hard. He isn't going to win on points VS a fit Fury but I can quite easily see AJ pushing for a KO against Fury simply as he has the skills to be able to put brilliant combinations together.

I'd actually favour AJ to beat Fury just because Fury can get hit by someone who telegraphs punches as much as Wilder (let's not forget Cunningham, a career CW, was able to drop Fury also) and Wilder is a very crude boxer whereas Joshua has actual boxing pedigree and It's not like Joshua just has pillows for fists. It would be a brilliant fight either way. All the top boys need to fight each-other as well as the rest of the top 10 or so to truly prove who is the best.

Though it's not going to happen. Crawford vs Spence was the fight I wanted this year. But as always Uncle Al has to ruin boxing with politics.
 
JunglistE said:
I don't see Fury vs AJ a foregone conclusion. Wilder stands alone with his freakish power but is poor boxing skills means he literally relies on that one punch connecting. AJ is a very skilled boxer and he hits hard. He isn't going to win on points VS a fit Fury but I can quite easily see AJ pushing for a KO against Fury simply as he has the skills to be able to put brilliant combinations together.

I'd actually favour AJ to beat Fury just because Fury can get hit by someone who telegraphs punches as much as Wilder (let's not forget Cunningham, a career CW, was able to drop Fury also) and Wilder is a very crude boxer whereas Joshua has actual boxing pedigree and It's not like Joshua just has pillows for fists. It would be a brilliant fight either way. All the top boys need to fight each-other as well as the rest of the top 10 or so to truly prove who is the best.

Though it's not going to happen. Crawford vs Spence was the fight I wanted this year. But as always Uncle Al has to ruin boxing with politics.
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Its not a foregone conclusion, but the fights where AJ has showed his "boxing skills" are against Parker and Ruiz, both of which he has big height and reach advantages. The way he fought in those won't work at all against Fury where he is at a disadvantage. Of course though if AJ were to get some good combinations in, I can see him winning by KO but I dont think Fury will let that happen who boxes better against better opposition. Its as if he doesnt both trying against lesser opponents so he doesnt always look as good.

Spencer vs Crawford would have been superb. Had it not been for Spencer's reckless driving, I think it was possible we could have got that sooner but as you said, boxing politics is a pain.

Would also like to see Canelo go back down to super middle or middle and take on a proper champion at those weights. Light heavy seeing Beterbiev go against Bivol is what I really want to see.
 
JunglistE said:
I don't see Fury vs AJ a foregone conclusion. Wilder stands alone with his freakish power but is poor boxing skills means he literally relies on that one punch connecting. AJ is a very skilled boxer and he hits hard. He isn't going to win on points VS a fit Fury but I can quite easily see AJ pushing for a KO against Fury simply as he has the skills to be able to put brilliant combinations together.

I'd actually favour AJ to beat Fury just because Fury can get hit by someone who telegraphs punches as much as Wilder (let's not forget Cunningham, a career CW, was able to drop Fury also) and Wilder is a very crude boxer whereas Joshua has actual boxing pedigree and It's not like Joshua just has pillows for fists. It would be a brilliant fight either way. All the top boys need to fight each-other as well as the rest of the top 10 or so to truly prove who is the best.

Though it's not going to happen. Crawford vs Spence was the fight I wanted this year. But as always Uncle Al has to ruin boxing with politics.
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I agree, and think Wilders power and his ability to use it is horribly overrated. Sure he's dangerous, but if the only plan is to land a bomb you have to either wait for a mistake or start taking big chances. Fury played it safe for most of the last fight and let Wilder off the hook several times. I think this time Fury will put more pressure on Wilder.

I haven't seen enough from Wilder that convinces me he has the tools to operate at the top level.
 
jigger said:
I agree, and think Wilders power and his ability to use it is horribly overrated. Sure he's dangerous, but if the only plan is to land a bomb you have to either wait for a mistake or start taking big chances. Fury played it safe for most of the last fight and let Wilder off the hook several times. I think this time Fury will put more pressure on Wilder.

I haven't seen enough from Wilder that convinces me he has the tools to operate at the top level.
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If Wilder was fighting during the 90's there is simply no chance in hell he would have survived against that level of opposition. He's got a relatively lucky ride since the current era is nowhere near as stacked as it once was.
 
Praz94 said:
If Wilder was fighting during the 90's there is simply no chance in hell he would have survived against that level of opposition. He's got a relatively lucky ride since the current era is nowhere near as stacked as it once was.
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100% right, Wilder fights low level fighters so he can make more money thats all, I cant even name any of the top 10 fighters hes been in the ring with , he was offered a 100 Million deal to fight Joshua a couple of years ago but it was turned down and he ended up fighting that old has been Ortiz for 5 Million Dollers, even Mike Tyson himself said Wilder aint fought nobody he just fights bums lol...and I suspect this is why Dillian Whyte was kept back for so long cos Wilder know DW will probably knock him out .
 
Doobedoo said:
Looking forward to the Dubois v Joyce fight should be interesting.

Not a chance I’m paying for it though.
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Definitely not paying, but I too am very interested in this fight. Rooting for Joyce as I quite like him and rate him and has some pedigree! DDD on the other hand has gone down the Yarde route in fighting bum after bum so lets see how he manages against a decent opposition
 
viathinair said:
Rape doesn't equate to a "mistake" with no further context. He's scum.
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But rape doesn’t necessarily mean rape. Tupac was tried for rape which they couldn’t make stick, despite no evidence what so ever they still convicted him of force able touching of the buttocks. He spent years in prison too.

The American justice system is wide open for abuse and multiple accounts of wrongful imprisonment, and when you have controversial, extremely famous “bad boy” black males they can be targets for opportunistic young females.

Both Tupac and Tyson both maintained their innocence and I prefer to believe them.

Regardless they still did the time and Tyson is now far removed from the person and lifestyle he was living then. I admire him a lot not too many people could walk in the shoes of either of those two men.

https://youtu.be/Tw7XeJYxQaI
 
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https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/sports/anthony-joshua-vs-tyson-fury-can-be-agreed-in/


Fury has replaced trainer Ben Davison with Sugarhill Steward since his draw with Wilder.

Wilder questioned: "I thought if it ain't broke don't fix it? If anybody should be changing things it should be me because he said that he beat me by a wide margin.

"It is nervous energy. He says he beat me but he doesn't honestly believe that. That's why he's changing things so much.

"He isn't confident dealing with me because of the state I left in him. The head is not meant to be hit by power like Deontay Wilder's.

"Deep down in his heart, I feel that he is very, very nervous. When you knock a person out and give them a concussion, you never forget that. You never forget who did it to you, and how they did it. When you go back in the ring with them a second time to relive it, it has to be stressful. You can't sleep at night."
 
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