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The **OFFICIAL** Nvidia lynch mob thread

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I know i have been very annoyed with Nvidia lately, so i though id start a thread so we could all vent our spleans and kerb some of the thread dumping.
Maybe it might even provide some much needed market research for Nvidia on the way too.

So here's a few of my feelings,

Tri and Quad sli is a complete joke, Sli needs sorthing out first.

I dont want to buy a new card only to find it's the same as my old one but has a new sticker.

Is the lack of proper high end cards now taking it's toll on game development and sales ?

I cant see why NV dont just release the killer card we all know they could, and take the high end crown in style, then fight ATI for the mid range on price.
 
nVidia is really taking the **** with all of their rebadging cards. It's rubbish, tbh. And EOLing them so quick when ATi isn't really providing any competition is just a waste of consumer's money. I really do empathise with all those who got balled over by the 9800GX2 / GTX
 
-iceblade^ said:
nVidia is really taking the **** with all of their rebadging cards. It's rubbish, tbh. And EOLing them so quick when ATi isn't really providing any competition is just a waste of consumer's money. I really do empathise with all those who got balled over by the 9800GX2 / GTX
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Do you think they end of life them just to keep up the turn over?
 
People are convinced that its "ati's fault" that nvidia has no killer card out right now. We'll totally disregard the possibility that nvidia could be having problems with their new core and had to release this as a stopgap.

Its happened with both companies numerous times in the past (intel as well) but lately people seem to have this engraved in their brain and no other answer is possible. =/
 
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NV ain't holding a gun at anyone's head to go buy their latest cards, all the cards from the 8800GT up perform great in all games currently available, except crysis DX10, that game sux anyway. NV don't need to bring out the big guns yet, ATI are so far behind they can perfect their next gen cards to blow anything on offer from ATI away. Quad SLI and SLI scales way better than xfire in all the latest reviews i have seen and the performance is great.
 
I think that its a cheek to name a card a 9800 GTX that has less Memory 256BIT BUS over a 8800 GTX.

And to charge a premium.

I want them to stop patronising the ethusiast's.

Its a damn **** take...:mad:


I ran my 8800 GTS faster than all current 9800GTX's on the day they are released.Its lame wrong and sly.
 
easyrider said:
I think that its a cheek to name a card a 9800 GTX that has less Memory 256BIT BUS over a 8800 GTX.

And to charge a premium.

I want them to stop patronising the ethusiast's.

Its a damn **** take...:mad:


I ran my 8800 GTS faster than all current 9800GTX's on the day they are released.Its lame wrong and sly.
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That is true but so is the argument that it's ATI's fault for not having a card out to really compete with. Then you have to think about how DX10 had to be changed slightly to allow the 8 series cards to be DX10 certified. Was that change the blow to ATI's new architecture?. Too many possibilities.

Nvidia may be having trouble or have a faster card than we could imagine right now. We can only wait and see. ATI have to bring out a cracker to see if Nvidia have been holding back. Until then there is no point in arguing. Yes the 9800GTX is a bit of a joke but the 8800GT and GTS are amazing cards for a low price so lets not be too harsh on Nvidia. Or to ATI as a fact. So what, they've had one bad round. If the next product isn't up to scratch then we might not even get to see what Nvidia has up it's sleeve but for all our sake I hope ATI brings out a cracker.
 
IMHO AMD dealt a killer blow to NVIDIA when they released the 3600/3800 range. It's possible they have changed the market so significantly that NVIDIA won't be able to make the money they're used to making.

It's as if AMD decided to dilute the GPU market in effect killing the competitiveness between itself and NVIDIA and their high-margin enthusiast graphics cards.
 
jigger said:
Do you think they end of life them just to keep up the turn over?
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YES! i'll say it again: YES!!! what better way to fob off old cores and recoup the huge develpmental costs of the G80/G92 core than by selling it with 64000 iterations?

i know i am biased towards ATi, i'll admit it, but really, i'm sure nVidia fans will agree with me that the release of the 9800GTX is completely useless and unfair to the average Joe, and the EOLing of even those cards in such a short span is going to bring many a lament to owners who had to fork over hard earned dosh just for nVidia to develop crockpot solutions of something that isn't needed.

and yes, 8800GS, i AM talking to you. Gosh how i hate that card.

str said:
IMHO AMD dealt a killer blow to NVIDIA when they released the 3600/3800 range. It's possible they have changed the market so significantly that NVIDIA won't be able to make the money they're used to making.

It's as if AMD decided to dilute the GPU market in effect killing the competitiveness between itself and NVIDIA and their high-margin enthusiast graphics cards.
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Quoted For Truth. How long has nVidia been milking the GPU market for? what does it say that i can take the 8800GTS 512 and make it into...

NO, WAIT, IT IS an 9800GTX. If the average Joe was to figure that out, how do you think they'd feel? i honestly hope that this backfires for nVidia and the average Joe figures this one out, because it's a load of utter rubbish.
 
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steve258 said:
People have already forgotten that AMD pulled the same thing off months ago but Nvidia just took it one step further.
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yeah they did, but the 2900 was not renamed after 15 months of it coming out, or price hiked, the 2900 was renamed after about a couple of months, and actually dropped in price.
 
The naming scheme since the release of the 8800GT has been nothing short of insane. At worst it's downright deceptive for the new cards. It should have been 8700GS or GT (8800GS), 8700GT or GTS (9600GT), 8900GT (8800GT), 8900GTS (8800GTS 512), 8900GTX (9800GTX) and then we get 8900GX2 (9800GX2).

Can't say it's much worse than ATI/AMD recently but at least they added DX10.1 with their name change.
 
Hey we can whinge...

I think the X800 should have been called the 9900 too...

Edit: Edited to make sense :)

Edid: Assuming they don't release the rumoured 9900 series in a few months, getting an SLI motherboard is suddenly becoming a lot more attractive...
 
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steve258 said:
People have already forgotten that AMD pulled the same thing off months ago but Nvidia just took it one step further.
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Yeah, but ATi made it cheaper when they pulled it, as well as lowering power consumption. nVidia made it more expensive and longer. Yay.
 
People need to get their wants for sli/crossfire out of their mind when considering it. you can buy a single quad core system quite cheap but a dual quad core, the mobo is over double the price, the memory is more expensive the chips cost more, despite it all basically being the same stuff, its exponentially more expensive.

Everything is exponentially more expensive for limited performance increase past a certain point, in pc's, cars, airplanes, anything, absolutely anything.

sli/crossfire in its current form will NEVER offer 100% scaling. Its SUPPOSED to be an expensive performance increase that will often offer very limited gains as with all other things, thats life.

Until they go onboard mem controller, single card, and two "cores" on one die like a native AMD cpu type design the lack of a real super highspeed low latency connection between the cores will ALWAYS mean high latency and every single time one core has to much work for a single frame it will take too long to contact the other core and tell it to take the slack. This will always mean dropped frames here and there and no 100% scaling. Its completely and utterly impossible.

People need to realise crossfire/sli on current complete system architecture it is literally impossible for them to perform much better than they are. just like with any gfx card, better drivers might give small gains here and there, but no massive scaling boosts.

Other than that, nvidia just need decent drivers.

frankly they've gone alittle OTT on card versions, but they had little choice. In the same way that people complained that the 9800gtx shouldn't be named so, if they've called the newer 8800gt/gts something like 9800's people would have said, "but they're the same, just smaller die" etc. Rock -- nvidia -- hard place. We'd have complained either way. ATi took flak for calling the 3800 series what they did, as its essentially the same card as the 2900. They had to release the gt/gts i assume much earlier than they planned to compete with ATi on price. If they hadn't and the 9xxx series came out now with a mid end range of 8800gt/gts type parts now, then the last 6 months would have been ATi ownage of same performance half price cards.
 
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