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** The Official Space Flight Thread - The Space Station and Beyond **
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SpaceX Stage 0 plans changed after huge damage from testing...
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This was quite an interesting video about the launch pad being damaged. It seems they went ahead knowing it would get damaged, just not to the degree that it did. Big rockets have crazy destructive power, who knew?
Everyone but Elon. Which is why his engineers said it needed a flame diverter but he overruled them.
Ah those same everyone that said reusable boosters that land vertically weren't worth pursuing either?
Regardless, a flame diverter had already been designed, and parts were actually on site but not installed, but rather than delay it was presumably decided the risk/reward was worth trying anyway
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I don't know what sort of telemetry they are recieving but it could prove difficult to pinpoint the failure point. It hopefully shouldn't deter them from trying again.
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Ah those same everyone that said reusable boosters that land vertically weren't worth pursuing either?
Regardless, a flame diverter had already been designed, and parts were actually on site but not installed, but rather than delay it was presumably decided the risk/reward was worth trying anyway
No not the same everyone. I never said you couldn't use land boosters but I said in this thread months ago that the lack of a flame diverter was a mistake. In this case it really isn't rocket science.
No it hasn't. They are going with a metal water cooled pad, its not a flame diverter. If its there and ready he should have delayed the launch and installed it. Now its going to take months, who knows maybe a year to get another launch licence. FAA is going to have them jumping through hoops on every aspect of the failures.
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Thunderfoot having his 2 cents
I think I made around 5 minutes into that dumpster fire of a video... The anti-Musk sentiment is just tiresome.
I've never been able to enjoy Thunderfoots stuff he always comes across as a raging *******!
Go figure... Rocket science is difficult.
Have a little Chris Hadfield for a little more positive balance, Someone with actual real world test pilot/astronaut experience.
I've never been able to enjoy Thunderfoots stuff he always comes across as a raging *******!
Go figure... Rocket science is difficult.
Have a little Chris Hadfield for a little more positive balance, Someone with actual real world test pilot/astronaut experience.
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Both videos are extremes from different angles. The truth is they learnt a lot and these kind of early tests do tend to end in failure. But the issue a lot have is there were mistakes made that are not rocket science and contributed to the failures.
No flame diverters
A water deluge system
Both of the above have been known essentials in rocket flight for over half a century now. Had they used that 60 years of experience the launch could have been a lot more successful.
You mean 60 years of doing the same thing because it worked.
That's not how innovation works.
It was a calculated risk based on static fire tests already done, not because "mistakes were made"
El oh el and how did that work out eh? It was mistakes and incompetence, not innovation.
I dont think anyone is disputing the fact that there should have been some mitigation for blast.
Elon will have his reasons. However as Fuzz mentioned the data, clearly wrongly, showed that it might work. I suppose the likelyhood of a full stack actually being completely successful was so low that they thought, just send it anyway. Either way, hindsight is a wonderful thing...
However this is going from a thread talking about space flight to "bUt MuSk!1!!1". leave it for the absolute **** show that is the twitter thread.
Elon will have his reasons. However as Fuzz mentioned the data, clearly wrongly, showed that it might work. I suppose the likelyhood of a full stack actually being completely successful was so low that they thought, just send it anyway. Either way, hindsight is a wonderful thing...
However this is going from a thread talking about space flight to "bUt MuSk!1!!1". leave it for the absolute **** show that is the twitter thread.
It's all learning, reusability requires you try new stuff out, the launch requires, as cheap as possible and as less complicated as possible, the concrete was toughened and the hope was that it would stand up a bit better then it did to the forces of the raptor engines.
I don't expect another launch for at least 12 months now
I don't expect another launch for at least 12 months now
I guess that'll depend on FAA. I reckon they might be ready late summer/autumn. They certainly dont hang about when it comes down to building the infrastructure. However, they will likely be waiting longer for the licence.
The only thing that would likely delay another launch for that long would be if they struggle to regain FAA approval.
The OLM can likely be salvaged or if not the one from Cape Canaveral could possibly be barged across.
Repairing/Re-pouring the concrete underneath the OLM will likely take 3-4 months.
A flame diverter of sorts has already been in production - it's unlikely to hold anything up
(@Colonel_Klinck - Photo that specifically says "Flame Diverter": https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=58722.msg2481084#msg2481084)
Various later variant stages are already available to launch (and otherwise will need to be scrapped before they become too obsolete versus the "current" built stages), as are various later model Raptor engines
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I expect the FAA won't have taken kindly to the impact to the area after the launch.
They will delay this for a long time and will make spacex jump through multiple hoops, it may not be a year but it won't be far off
The grounding by the FAA (AFAIK they do mean different things), will be to investigate the cause of the accident and to ensure mitigations are in place to prevent it happening again.
If SpaceX are serious about launching a rocket into space they will be doing the exact some investigation and will want to fix the issues so they do not have a repeat of the previous launch.
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One thing that does make me think. Theres just no way that SpaceX will be able to get away with the long term plan to launch multiple Starships per day to Mars from the Cape. Not with the sound of that rocket on full thrust. At Boca Chicha the nearest towns are about 10-15km away. The sheer noise and vibration I've seen from some of the videos that have emerged on Youtube is mind blowing.
At the Cape the nearest population is around 15km. I cant see 3 launches a day washing with the local populace, the odd launch here and there through the week maybe. Surely SpaceX seriously need to looking at securing more remote launch facilities?
At the Cape the nearest population is around 15km. I cant see 3 launches a day washing with the local populace, the odd launch here and there through the week maybe. Surely SpaceX seriously need to looking at securing more remote launch facilities?