The ongoing Elon Twitter saga: "insert demographic" melts down

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unwashed potato! said:
Based totally on reality. That's literally all they did. Nothing else. Ever. Not once. Tha is for clearing that up for us. Now we know.

Of course. Roar blocks users and reports them if he doesn't like what they say. He then pretends he's for free speech when it supports him

User X posts Nazi propaganda.

Everyone asks, should we stop this from spreading.

Roar. "no way, let them stuff spread, bestway to stop it is to not stop it and let others see this stuff, stuff I disagree with btw"

OK then that's fine. What about that person that called you a tiger?

Roar "OMG BLOCK THEM, TELL THE MODS, WTF IS THIS CHINA? HOW ARE THEY ALLOWED TO SPREAD THIS STUFF"
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Interesting take from someone who was removed from my ignore list lol
 
Roar87 said:
Despite the UK leaving the EU we've continued to demonstrate our commitment to peace in Europe, and our position on that is as prominent as ever. So no, it was a lie. Our membership of the EU and the security of the continent aren't related, and I'd assume the sitting British Prime Minister would've known that given the primary defence of Europe is down to our NATO commitment, not a bloated trade bloc.
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Let's not make this a brexit talk in here for everyone's sake.
 
Jono8 said:
This is one of the biggest problems. The same has happened with Trump. Regardless of everything that shows him to be a reprehensible human being, people just will never admit they were wrong about him because it will hurt their psyche/pride too much.

Instead, it is just a continual double down and almost nothing can break the now deeply rooted belief.
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People don't like being wrong.

However, some people (and i'm probably as guilty as anyone else) will not learn and move on, but instead seem to take it as a point of honour to defend their mistakes, regardless of facts and even reality. It's like the loss of face is more important to them than being accurate.

These days i very quickly give up when it is clear my time is better spent elsewhere.
 
Roar87 said:
both sides told blatent lies (Brexit would cause World War 3, etc).
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No-one ever said that it would cause WWIII. The argument was that the EU had helped keep the peace in Western Europe.

Of course, the instability caused by Brexit has definitely emboldened our enemies and people on OCuk are openly debating British conscription right now. WWIII looks a lot more possible now than it did in 2016.
 
Roar87 said:
Perhaps you should quote the person who originally mentioned Brexit, that wasn't me
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No. I don't need to. The user brought it up in a relevant way to this thread. You fairly replied to that. You to have the last word, it felt better to quote you in the hope that's where it stops, with your word on the subject as the last word, and as the way you replied took it further away from the thread subject.

It's a rather silly reply you gave.
 
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unwashed potato! said:
No. I don't need to. The user brought it up in a relevant way to this thread. You fairly replied to that. You to have the last word, it felt better to quote you in the hope that's where it stops, with your word on the subject as the last word, and as the way you replied took it further away from the thread subject.

It's a rather silly reply you gave.
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If you cite Brexit as an example of a topic that wasn't "killed by debate", then that's obviously contentious, and probably deliberately so. But sure, we'll leave it there.
 
jeffk said:
No-one ever said that it would cause WWIII. The argument was that the EU had helped keep the peace in Western Europe.

Of course, the instability caused by Brexit has definitely emboldened our enemies and people on OCuk are openly debating British conscription right now. WWIII looks a lot more possible now than it did in 2016.
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Exactly! Fragmenting partnerships and alliances in the west only make it easier for Russia and China etc to squeeze the knife a little further.

People who support Trump's disdain for NATO and wouldn't mind if it was broken up SERIOUSLY do not know or understand what they are wishing for.

Brexit, the break off of other countries from the EU and the US pulling out of NATO are all EXACTLY what our geopolitical enemies (and make no mistake, Russia are our enemies) want.
 
Roar87 said:
The only thing that can defeat an idea, such as the Nationalist Socialist movement, is an open debate - bad ideas don't survive debate and ridicule. You can't defeat an idea just by calling it hate speech and banning the posts, all you do is move those ideas elsewhere and entrench the positions of people who hold them.
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You really believe that? Germany has done well at stopping a rise of far right nationalism by banning it.

Trump's America First movement is pretty much the same as the America First movement of the 1930s. Ridicule and debate hasn't defeated it, its just further entrenched it. So I don't buy your argument that such movements can be defeated by speech. Giving such people a massive platform just strengthens them.
 
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Colonel_Klinck said:
You really believe that? Germany has done well at stopping a rise of far right nationalism by banning it.
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I don't think it's clear that far-right Nationalism being banned is the reason why it has been stopped in Germany. We defeated Germany in World War 2 and put an end to it, at which point it hasn't taken hold in any country that has banned it or otherwise.

Colonel_Klinck said:
Trump's America First movement is pretty much the same as the America First movement of the 1930s. Ridicule and debate hasn't defeated it, its just further entrenched it. So I don't buy your argument that such movements can be defeated by speech. Giving such people a massive platform just strengthens them.
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The debate has been poor and has largely focused on the personality of Donald Trump, which isn't really something most Americans care about. Failing to make good arguments against Brexit and Trump isn't a failure of the notion of debate, it's a failure of people to make good arguments.
 
Roar87 said:
I don't think it's clear that far-right Nationalism being banned is the reason why it has been stopped in Germany. We defeated Germany in World War 2 and put an end to it, at which point it hasn't taken hold in any country that has banned it or otherwise.
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Its exactly why it hasn't come back in Germany. They said never again and such political movement and all that is associated with it is illegal.

Roar87 said:
The debate has been poor and has largely focused on the personality of Donald Trump, which isn't really something most Americans care about. Failing to make good arguments against Brexit and Trump isn't a failure of the notion of debate, it's a failure of people to make good arguments.
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There has been no shortage of great arguments against Trump and the America First/MAGA movement. The problem is those that believe in it aren't interested in hearing it, its why populism can be so dangerous. The cognitive dissonance is there for all to see and giving such ideologies a megaphone just makes them stronger, not weaker. I'm not saying they should be banned but your argument that giving them a voice weakens them is simply not true. You don't put out a fire by feeding it oxygen.
 
Sankari said:
I'm not sure that Musk learned the right lesson from his visit to Auschwitz.
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Reminds me of:

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