The paradox of self-replicating machines - An OcUK theorem

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Had a few beers and was pondering...

I think self replicating machines of any significant complexity must be paradoxical which disproves the whole von neumann probes theory of why the universe should be teaming with life... the great silence.... kardashev scales etc. you name it, it is gone!

Lets break it down... If we can define the complexity of a machine by its abilites such as the following list (for example). Obviously the more features the greater the complexity sum if you will.

Propulsion and navigation
Sensing/resoruce hunting
Descision making
Material and Energy Extraction

(to name but a few)

Lets say we add all of these together and gain a combined complexity of U+V+W+X=Z.... But now we have to incorporate the self replicating parameter... The lay person may think ok, just add Y in so the total complexity now becomes U+V+W+X+Y=Z+Y... Simple right? Well no because the paradox states that the fundamental need need to make something self-replicating will influence every parameter.... So maybe we should say (U+Z1)+(V+Z2)+(W+Z3)+(X+Z4)=Z+Z1+Z2+Z3+Z4+Z5.... And now we have the paradox because we also need to include the added complexity of self replication to the basic self replication complexity.... and then we just get complexity that equates to a sum to infinity (by definition).

In simple terms the added complexity of self replication of various abilities adds an ever growing level of complexity that must then be self replicable... and so on and so on..

Did a quick google but didnt hit any citations for self-replicating machine paradoxes so I think I must be on to something... I haven't fully thought this through and I am sure the maths is a little sketchy but I really believe I have come up with a unique bit of academic work here. Is anyone on here willing to help me flesh this out and perhaps we can look to publish a peer-reviewed journal paper? Would be pretty cool if we could list OcUK in the acknowledgements section - maybe we get some free stuff?
 
The terms are not independent so do not sum to infinity. Trivial counterexample - life is a self replicating machine.
 
Logically, the machine would realize that it is more efficient to build specialized versions of itself suited to each job rather than try to work out how to do everything in one.

I imagine a insect colony hierarchy would be the best analogy, with one "central" machine commanding other specialist machines for the benefit of them all.
 
The terms are not independent so do not sum to infinity. Trivial counterexample - life is a self replicating machine.

I did think about this and it was something I would have to explain to advance the theorem... I think it comes down to thermodynamics and entropy. You may say the formation of life goes against entropy as all things should tend to a more disorder state right? Of course that is only for closed systems and as we have sun constantly feeding us/our planet energy then we cant consider ourselves a closed system.... A self replicating machines will not have this this phenomena in place... But it could harvest more energy than it actually needs to cover self replication right? Well in that case the very act of energy harvesting is inherently tending things to a more ordered state... So a machine can only self replicate if something else in the galaxy is inherently becoming more disordered like a planets energy storage.... I dont think planets are close to self replication so there is your answer.
 
seems like the relevant thread to post this:

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Certainly sounds complex, bit like the digits of Pi, just goes on and on. Depends though if there is a limit to complexity, is there a limit to human understanding for example. You have to be able to define what complexity is which you haven't. Something to do with the total energy in the universe maybe
 
Unfortunately the Mrs has told me I need to go to bed.... I should be allowed a few pints of Ruddles again on Friday so hopefully can invest some more time in my pondering... In the meantime hopefully others can advance the theorem further. Don't worry I will put all those will decent input as co-authors on the paper.
 
Unfortunately the Mrs has told me I need to go to bed.... I should be allowed a few pints of Ruddles again on Friday so hopefully can invest some more time in my pondering... In the meantime hopefully others can advance the theorem further. Don't worry I will put all those will decent input as co-authors on the paper.

Any thoughts as to the title of the paper?
 
Certainly sounds complex, bit like the digits of Pi, just goes on and on. Depends though if there is a limit to complexity, is there a limit to human understanding for example. You have to be able to define what complexity is which you haven't. Something to do with the total energy in the universe maybe

Consider adding a T to your formula. Or tea to your thinking :)
 
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