any link please seams? interesting!
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any link please seams? interesting!
Yep, publishers are already locking off large amounts of content with one use codes. I can see eventually console games requiring activation keys like PC games to stop the second hand market - not that I believe that's a good thing, as it will remove the right to resale as has happened with PC games.
The issue is that the high street retailers have essentially become glorified pawn shops, specialising in selling used games over new because they get much more profit.
One of the reasons for the decline in PC games at retail is the use of CD keys and DRM that make selling second hand copies risky or impossible, so it's a fact that PC games are far less profitable to retailers because they can only sell a PC game once, where an equvalent console copy can be sold again and again, making a large profit every time, none of which goes to the game's creators.
Again, there's nothing wrong as such with trading in games, it's just the market has become too biased towards second hand games, so much it is cutting into sales of new games by a huge amount - it's a bigger problem than piracy, because you don't know if a pirated copy is a lost sale, but to a publisher, a second hand sale in a store is a definite lost sale.
The issue is that the high street retailers have essentially become glorified pawn shops, specialising in selling used games over new because they get much more profit.
One of the reasons for the decline in PC games at retail is the use of CD keys and DRM that make selling second hand copies risky or impossible, so it's a fact that PC games are far less profitable to retailers because they can only sell a PC game once, where an equvalent console copy can be sold again and again, making a large profit every time, none of which goes to the game's creators.
Again, there's nothing wrong as such with trading in games, it's just the market has become too biased towards second hand games, so much it is cutting into sales of new games by a huge amount - it's a bigger problem than piracy, because you don't know if a pirated copy is a lost sale, but to a publisher, a second hand sale in a store is a definite lost sale.
The market isn't biased in the slightest towards second hand sales. Not that i have any idea how you'd truly check those figures. Publishers have just decided that they want to steal the cookie jar since taking most of the cookies wasn't enough. The views in that link are absoltuely outrageous, the second hand market has been around for years and now the publishers look at it as if its boared a hole in there bucket to siphon off cash. They treat them the same, if not worse, than pirates, and the second hand market is much easier to lock down than piracy.
These high st shops which trade used games need to go away fast as they are not providing any money back to the developers so all they are doing is getting rich on other peoples work & selling used games for silly prices!!
I find it quite ironic that these same retailers are the main reason why PC games @ retail are almost extinct & now the publishers are taking the same steps to prevent used console games being sold so its quite likely that there will be less shops selling used console games before the end of this year & every console game will become like PC games tied to the account & not resealable.
What goes around comes around!!
I find it quite ironic that these same retailers are the main reason why PC games @ retail are almost extinct & now the publishers are taking the same steps to prevent used console games being sold so its quite likely that there will be less shops selling used console games before the end of this year & every console game will become like PC games tied to the account & not resealable.
What goes around comes around!!
Really?
So when you go to GAME and take a recent console release to the counter they don't ask if you'd like a second hand copy for a fiver cheaper? Or whenever you buy a game they never ask if you've got any games to trade in?
Their second hand shelves are never bigger than the new stock either.
Imagine if you went into HMV to buy a blu-ray and the assistant pestered you to buy a second hand version instead and asked if you've got any blu-rays to trade in.
Now the supermarkets are stocking second hand games you know the market is getting biased towards used sales. Funny isn't it that the supermarkets don't sell any other second hand goods - just games. It's not sustainable in the long term and it'll end up with all console games using activation keys to lock the entire game - not just multiplayer or DLC - to consoles or accounts if the situation doesn't improve. That'd be a bad thing, as it's already happened to PC games and I'm not happy at all with that.
I just got an email this morning saying Bulletstorm demo was out , download now. I thought great , it looks like a good game to check out
Clicked on the link and the demo is only available on the Xbox360 and PS3
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I just got an email this morning saying Bulletstorm demo was out , download now. I thought great , it looks like a good game to check out
Clicked on the link and the demo is only available on the Xbox360 and PS3
Yeah i got the same thing
When you sign up for an account with EA they even ask you (in tick boxes) what formats you own and what kind of games you like ect so really if it wasnt pc related they shouldnt have sent out the damn email :/bloody consoles.........
yeah just like all those evil second hand car sales men.
Or those evil sob's that buy a house and then sell it on when they're done.
The swine.
beaten badly whilst i was reading the thread... by the same example aswell ^^
*hangs head in shame*
would you say the same for the 2nd hand car market ? say a garage which sells used cars.
*hangs head in shame*
would you say the same for the 2nd hand car market ? say a garage which sells used cars.
Not remotely the same thing. Car manufacturers make a lot of money out of servicing and parts for used cars.
A better example is roughly equivalent media - Books, CDs and DVD/Blu-Ray. Yes, you can buy these second hand, but generally only in specialist second hand shops.
You almost never see mainstream highstreet retailers selling second hand books, CDs or DVD/Blu-Ray.
I don't imagine the book publishers would be stand idly by if Waterstones started selling second hand books with an aggressive trade-in policy, or if HMV did the same with CDs, DVDs and Blu-Rays.
As I've said before it's not the fact that stores are selling second hand games - that's been happening since video games were invented. I sold second hand Atari VCS and Intellivision games back in the 80's when I worked in a computer shop. The problem is that the main games retailers - including supermarkets - are now heavily promoting used games over new because they make more money that way. When the market is that distorted, then something has to change or even more developers and publishers will go out of business.
I don't buy my games from GAME so why would i know? They would ask those things because it maximises there profit. Trade in a game to get it a bit cheaper while simultaneously being able to profit more on the traded game or getting a larger profit from the traded in copy.
Why compare it to DVDs? Console games go for £40-50 and keep it high for as long as they can. DVDs you can pick up for £5-20. Pretty sure if the market was big enough for second hand dvds then the above would happen. as for supermarkets, there is clearly profit to be made and they take up next to no shelving space.
Gaming market got bigger so the second hand market grew in proportion. Its nothing new. The greedy little devs just want to squeeze everything they can.
You seem adament that other industries would go hulk over second hand markets if they increased. There is absolutely no way books or dvds could be prevented for second hand sales, only the gaming industry could actually prevent it.
Even though both times second hand dealers are taking all sale profit after the original sale ?
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