The Photography Forum - Your feedback wanted

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Reading through the photography forum of late, I don’t think it comes by any surprise to learn that the forum has been in decline for a while now and we would like this to change for the better.

We would therefore like to ask you for your help by providing your honest opinion and feedback. We would like to know what you feel we can do to improve the Photography forum to encourage more interest and posting in this section.

What we don’t want is this turning into a bitter argument about what’s gone on in the past but instead look forward and make positive changes to restore its popularity.

We want to encourage photographers at all levels to be able to share their photographs and knowledge in a friendly environment without feeling intimidated or unwelcome.

We have some excellent photographers here so I hope this is a positive move and look forward to hearing you comments and suggestions in due course.

All the best
 
I honestly think the only way to get a lot of the guys who are doing professional work (which coincidently are the top contributors on here) feel put off due to how stringent the watermarking system is on this website. On other forums such as talk photography, they dont need to re-export or edit their work again for the benefit of a forum, which may put some users off.

I'm not included in that as I'm not a professional tog by a long shot, yet I know it affects other people. There needs to be a reason for the community on this forum to come to this part of it, which is another issue entirely. Most users come here asking for advice on what to buy, either with their first DSLR or a point and shoot for a looming holiday. This is fine, yet most of these people never stick around (as they have no reason to). Theres been talk about starting up the competition side of this sub forum again which is a good idea and promotes people to come back. How about link it to a GD post once a month with a poll for the best photo or something? That way everyone gets involved and it may introduce more people (especially forum lurkers) to finally join in.
 
More meets. Time consuming to organize and take part in but actually encouraging going out to take photos, to post them up later will be a good boost to forum activity. I'd like to get out and shoot more and meeting up with others is a good excuse to :)
 
I couldn't agree more with you James regarding the strength of the Watermark system imposed. It's a decision that was quite rightly overturned and whilst we maintain our policy that the forums aren't to be used for commercial gain we do recognise the fact that photographers (pro or amateur) shouldn't have to change their images for them to post.

I saw the competition comments made by Phate and a few other yesterday which was what got me thinking. The link from GD maybe a good idea if everyone share this thought. Maybe the poll should open after the closing date for entries.

We are just throwing ideas ion the table for the time being though.
 
The Post your picture here and assorted [PIC THREAD] threads need to go. And a streamlined, friendly-to-all, low barrier of entry photo comp would be good, but I said all this in the comp thread.
 
New competition subforum and new critique subforum, leave the post pics here thread in the main section though.

I'm very new to photography and I like criticism, it'd be better to have a subforum dedicated to that. Abolsish the watermark rule, there's a huge thread with everyones sites in anyway so the 'commercial gain' is still there. Honestly, it's a stupid rule (the watermark rule).
 
The impact of the watermarking thing shouldn't be underestimated. Quite a few members took it very personally, and I don't blame them. It was tough to watch people try to defend themselves.

Attempts to stimulate the forum are welcome and I'm sure there will be some good ideas banded about, but one of the key things is simply going to be time. A lot of members have been around for years and years and they're just not going to forget what happened at the drop of a hat.

Hopefully a more active board will push more water under the bridge and the forum can eventually get back to its best.
 
With the post your picture thread, do you think this should be removed to encourage users to make new threads sharing their photography experience? I feel this thread makes the whole forum almost pointless by just having that one thread.

Or do you disagree?
 
With the post your picture thread, do you think this should be removed to encourage users to make new threads sharing their photography experience? I feel this thread makes the whole forum almost pointless by just having that one thread.

Or do you disagree?

I agree!
A sub forum for picture threads to be started and then retaining this one for general discussion, questions & advice etc may also help.

That might be step too far though?
 
I think before people used to start threads and shared their photos, and people would comment on the photos in that thread. It seems like now, everything is bunged into that one thread, and people don't comment that much on peoples work, as much as if it had its own dedicated thread.
 
With the post your picture thread, do you think this should be removed to encourage users to make new threads sharing their photography experience? I feel this thread makes the whole forum almost pointless by just having that one thread.

Or do you disagree?

Agree about removing it as people just link a photo for flickr/website hits and leave it. Theres rarely critique or any real sort of feedback and its always the same people who try and be helpful sadly.
 
I think before people used to start threads and shared their photos, and people would comment on the photos in that thread. It seems like now, everything is bunged into that one thread, and people don't comment that much on peoples work, as much as if it had its own dedicated thread.
So...
New competition subforum and new critique subforum, leave the post pics here thread in the main section though.

I'm very new to photography and I like criticism, it'd be better to have a subforum dedicated to that. Abolsish the watermark rule, there's a huge thread with everyones sites in anyway so the 'commercial gain' is still there. Honestly, it's a stupid rule (the watermark rule).
 
Speaking as someone who used to frequent this forum on a semi-regular basis and enjoyed it for what it was, there are clearly a number of issues with the forum which are slowly killing it off and I think the main problem is that the overwhelming majority of people simply don't care enough about it.

From someone who now reads rather than posts, I feel a real sense of people being 'it it for themselves' and wanting to show off rather than being willing and able to help and nurture others with the same passion they have. Sure, show your own work off, but stop being so bloody self-serving and actually talk about your work rather than post a load of photos and wait for the plaudits to roll in.

Nobody's going to take your living away from you, if that's even what it is, so share your knowledge and passion and get others enthused about taking photos in the way that you are.

Anyway, my suggestions for changes would be as follows:

1. Split the gear talk out from the main forum.

Gear threads seem to always attract the same five or six people and usually devolve into bickering, which serves no purpose whatsoever and just ends up alienating people from joining in. And while some of this discussion has a place, it needs to be kept well away from the photos themselves so as to encourage photography to be the main attraction again.

Failing that, stronger moderation is needed when the usual suspects start taking topics off-subject and bickering between themselves. It's harmed the forum enough and needs to stop before it kills the place off completely.

2. The 'Post your' thread.

I didn't like it when the idea was tabled and I hate it now. All the thread has done has sucked photography away from the main forum and kept it all wrapped up in its own little cliquey thread where it's nigh-on impossible to keep track of things or talk about individual photos.

If someone has photos to share, then create a thread and tell us all about them. And if nobody is interested, it'll sink off the first page - so you'd better make sure it is worth talking about and promote some discussion.

3. A serious lack of critique.

If people want to improve their photography, the first thing they ought to learn to do is self-critique their own work. All too often you see a whole load of photos dumped into a thread with someone asking for an opinion on them. Well, what do you think about your own work? What were you trying for, and why did you do what you did? Are you happy with the results or is there something you wished you could have done better? And so on, and so forth.

Posting a load of photos and asking for an opinion without proffering one yourself is akin to creating a thread in another part of the forum and pasting a link without any accompanying text. Poor form at the best of times and it shouldn't be tolerated in here.

And on the same subject, there should be more people posting their opinions of work, regardless of whether it's been asked of or not. Strong but helpful critique should be the order of the day - not just the limp-wristed 'gr8 pix m8' stuff that you see time and time again.

4. The competition.

Why bother with a competition at this precise moment in time when there's not enough healthy discussion and sharing of photos to be worth it? Until the forum is teeming with life and there's a steady group of people demanding a good-natured competition, leave it to people to challenge themselves and forget about the time and effort that would be needed to run something half-decent to the standard it used to be.

And whatever you do end up with, please make it anonymous and not wholly reliant on one single person to run the whole bloody thing. It could easily be handled by a half-decent website that someone with an ounce of skill could knock up for the benefit of the forum at large.

5. The watermark debate.

There was a perfectly good reason for the ban to be imposed and as it's since been relaxed people really need to get over it and concentrate their efforts on making the forum great again. If you're that bothered about your work being misappropriated, stick a whopping great © through the middle of it and be done with it.

6. Getting people involved.

Short of handing out a fiver for every newcomer to the forum, you've got to find ways to attract new blood and stop this place being so cliquey. It's far too self-referential in places and even I find it off-putting, so I hate to think what newcomers make of it.

People need to make the forum what they want it to be and stop waiting around for it to fix itself. Start by sharing some photographs and talking about them in-depth, as that's what it really ought to be all about, and then follow that up with some in-depth and well-natured critique for someone who's deserving of it.
 
Just out of curiosity. How many of the mods/staff here actually like/care about photography and this section of the forum?

The forum was gradually gutted as others have said, but that is in the past, and it's about time we all left it there. If the mods are serious, there is no reason why this forum can't be bigger/better than before.

To get this forum in a good place I feel it needs to offer value to people. Someone with some passion for the place needs to be willing to actually make changes. Last time we had this discussion, adding subcategories was seemingly out of the question.

People should be able to gain knowledge from being here. Having gained something, allot of people will then give back. More importantly they will keep coming back and a new community spirit will be born.

Personally I think there should be subsections. Perhaps like the following:

* How-To guides.
People can post how to do things like HDR, Portraits, Composition, Lighting, Light Painting, Long exposures, Client interaction, Business, Philosophy, etc etc. A rising tide lifts all boats.
The best or most popular guides should be made stickies

* Photo submissions
A sticky should be made to outline the purpose of this section. I think in this sticky, it should be made clear that people are equally encouraged to make their own threads for their own pictures, rather than only posting in a picture thread.
Some people feel self conscious about posting their own thread as they feel they are perceived as arrogant etc.
If people know such activity is encouraged rather than just posting in an existing thread, more people will post threads that encourage interaction.

I think there should be a sticky thread dedicated to critique.

I also think it would be good to have genre stickies but I don't think that's a must. The reason I think it's important though, is sometimes people just want to share a few images rather than making a whole thread dedicated to talking about it. I think this approach will encourage more activity overall.

* Gear talk
This section won't need much looking after or encouragement.
 
From someone who now reads rather than posts, I feel a real sense of people being 'it it for themselves' and wanting to show off rather than being willing and able to help and nurture others with the same passion they have. Sure, show your own work off, but stop being so bloody self-serving and actually talk about your work rather than post a load of photos and wait for the plaudits to roll in.

That's a negative attitude that will encourage the exodus.
If people have produced work they are happy with, of course they will want to show it off! :confused: ultimately a photography forum is all about CONTENT.

Secondly if people want help or 'nurturing' as you put it. They should ask for it. If enough people ask the same question, a guide can be made.
It's not for the people who actually bother to post content, to chase people around trying to 'nurture' them. The decline comes from people like you. People who only come here to read, not to contribute anything.
 
For me there's little reason to keep coming back other than the gear threads. I'm happy where I'm at technically and the area I need to improve most and the area I'm working hardest to improve is post.

Ask any questions about that and people clam up like they invented the technique. So I seek other avenues. Of course it's just my experience but I find the section a bit 'snooty' and very little help if offered through all aspects of photography, other than what you should or shouldn't buy.

Of course there are exceptions to that but they are few and far between.

TBH I long gave up on the place for actual help.

I'm not fussed about the huge post your pic threads, the load up times even when I'm at work put me off ever looking at those, also I'm a bit odd in that when I miss the start of a 4000 page thread I rarely bother looking at them :D

I only ever look at the threads submitted on their own :)
 
I'm happy where I'm at technically and the area I need to improve most and the area I'm working hardest to improve is post.

Ask any questions about that and people clam up like they invented the technique.

If a photographer has a signature processing style, asking how to achieve the same is like asking for Coca Cola's recipe.
 
If a photographer has a signature processing style, asking how to achieve the same is like asking for Coca Cola's recipe.

LOL

Elitist crap tbh. Luckily there are sites and people out there who do teach, they are confident that the images they capture set them apart :) No ones asking for a preset just guidance. What does anyone ever learn having someone take their RAW process it and send it back to them as a jpeg?

Nothing, which is why those threads always die fast imho.
 
My take is this:

The clique within the forum doesn't help or encourage others.

Lack of thanks or consideration take by OP's when advice or insight is given, puts me off sticking my neck out and trying to help.

Subforums are a bad idea, why have 3 subforums with 2 active threads in each? It looks dead and just splits content for no good reason. Keep it all top level so the forum is busy.

Close the 'post pictures here' threads, not looked in them for a while now as their is too much content to go through. And the threads go OT quickly and branch off.

I don't get the watermark thing. OC isn't a photography business and can understand why some posters don't upload as much as they could or any at all. Let people watermark images all they want (no signature link or banners tho). What better way to encourage content and active discussion than to allow people to put themselves out there, it's give and take ultimately. This is one reason i think TP is so popular, even tho they have commercial sponsors watermarking is fine. And you can tell togs want to take advantage of it because there is a steady stream of new images arriving.

At its core this part of the forum is awesome and my first destination, the quality and skill on show by some of the posters is absolutely top notch.
 
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