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Elitist crap tbh.

Of course. That's why Coca Cola is one of the most valuable brands ever.
For most, photography is a hobby. For others it's also a business. If others want to share their 'trade secrets' that's their prerogative.

For me, I just know I didn't spends years tweaking a processing style only to hand it over to someone I don't know for nothing in return.

Photographic technique is a different story, but questions about that don't often arise.
 
Of course. That's why Coca Cola is one of the most valuable brands ever.
For most, photography is a hobby. For others it's also a business. If others want to share their 'trade secrets' that's their prerogative.

For me, I just know I didn't spends years tweaking a processing style only to hand it over to someone I don't know for nothing in return.

Your completely missing the point, at no point did I say hand anything over. You don't see any guidance or advice with sliders to even get in the ball park. People that make far more for a living that you do are happy enough to do that.

That's why I use other sources and one of a small bunch of reasons which add up to why people have given up here. That you compare your tweaking to Coca Cola maybe says more about your ego than anything else :p
 
If a photographer has a signature processing style, asking how to achieve the same is like asking for Coca Cola's recipe.
You might know how to make Coca Cola but that doesn't mean to say people will buy it or you'll get it right.

You're actually one of my fav togs on here and the wedding work you do i think (and my missus agrees so i must be right) is sublime. But for all of the quality in your processing (and it is), it's what you capture for me, that's the bit that sets you apart. Not upping your black point, playing with curves, adding grain etc. It's an ability that can not truly be taught, you have a photographers eye.

If someone knows roughly your processing it doesn't mean squat unless are as good as you capturing the scene in front of them. Polish a turd, it's still a turd ;)
 
If someone knows roughly your processing it doesn't mean squat unless are as good as you capturing the scene in front of them. Polish a turd, it's still a turd ;)

Exactly, which is why there are people out there confident enough to point people in a similar direction of how something was achieved.
 
My take is this:

The clique within the forum doesn't help or encourage others.
I don't actually know what people mean by this, unless of course it's because I'm in it or something. Wouldn't have thought so though considering the 'battles' that sometimes take place.

Lack of thanks or consideration take by OP's when advice or insight is given, puts me off sticking my neck out and trying to help.
P's me off to, and is just bad manners.

Subforums are a bad idea, why have 3 subforums with 2 active threads in each? It looks dead and just splits content for no good reason. Keep it all top level so the forum is busy.

I think it's a case of what came first, the chicken or the egg.
Personally I'm a believer of "If You Build It, They Will Come".
 
New competition subforum and new critique subforum, leave the post pics here thread in the main section though.

I'm very new to photography and I like criticism, it'd be better to have a subforum dedicated to that. Abolsish the watermark rule, there's a huge thread with everyones sites in anyway so the 'commercial gain' is still there. Honestly, it's a stupid rule (the watermark rule).

You are allowed to watermark, you just can't pimp your own businesses
 
One of the biggest problem imo is the lack of moderation.

A recent example (and this is by no means isolated) - person A asks for advice about purchasing one of two cameras.

Thread decends quite quickly into a my cameras better than your camera argument.

Thread then veers wildly off tangent, once the OP has purchased the Camera that they have decided upon, into a discussion about a completely unrelated camera.

Now don't get me wrong there is nothing wrong in discussing the pros and cons of a camera or system. However it sadly always seems to start a circular argument.

In the case I mentioned above - it should have been moderated early on. If someone is out of line - they should be warned. If the subject is going off topic then start your own thread.

Once the OP had purchased the Camera that should have been it. Thread locked.

What we end up with is 10 pages of pointless argument.
 
RE : The Watermarking

Its been 10 months since the reversal was made regarding the watermarking of images.........can someone at least put the pinned watermark topic in the correct forum http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18494950 'Home Cinema & Hi-Fi' ;) I'm sure i mentioned in some topic last year but it sort of went un-noticed.

Sorted. :)

As for the whole watermark issue, you can pretty much put what you want, as long as you are not blatantly advertising that you are selling your photos or yourself for photography it is fine.

I have locked the The "Post your pictures here" thread too, so people can make threads and show it off that way too, and people can comment on your work, or you can comment on others. Rather than just posting and then leaving it there.
 
Is the intention that when we want to post an image for critique etc that we start a new thread? Or is it ok to have for example a thread entitled "LOAMS Pictures" and then keep them all in one location, building on the advice given?
 
Which ever really, I think eliminating one huge thread of photos will encourage people to start their own threads for advice, or if they want to show off their work, etc. :)
 
I think personally I'll keep mine to one thread, i'm here to learn and it will will be helpful to see that progress (if there is any) in a chronological fashion.
 
As someone who recently lurked in this forum when buying my first mirrorless camera, I've found it very useful. There's been plenty of topics here that have helped me (albeit without me feeling the need to post myself).

What would keep me around? Competitions, advice on taking photos, help with understanding Lightroom/Aperture...
 
I got put off when I had to remove my sig, which was just a 'portfolio' of my photos.

They said, company advertising is not accepted.

Pit pathetic really.
 
I don't actually know what people mean by this, unless of course it's because I'm in it or something. Wouldn't have thought so though considering the 'battles' that sometimes take place.


P's me off to, and is just bad manners.



I think it's a case of what came first, the chicken or the egg.
Personally I'm a believer of "If You Build It, They Will Come".

I know what they mean about the clique thing. There are about 4 or 5 people that constantly post in most threads. You are a part of it, but to be fair I think that's just a part of how the forum has matured. You've got the same people that understand each other and generally their way of thinking, so to an outsider I suppose it can be cliquey and off putting. That being said, a person can hardly dumb down or generalise in these threads due to the fact it's all been said and done. That's a bit of a hard one to change, if you even could to be fair. To me, as long as it's polite and non fan boy, then I enjoy the banter. It's when it gets out of hand that you get issues on a forum.

As for the mention of the picture thread, or the 'dump n run' as I see it, I think that should be kept. I treat that thread as most do, which is just a photo that you like but don't warrant it as good enough for it's own thread. I've no idea if others see it that way, but it's how I have seen it for a long time and due to the lack of comments in there, I imagine others see it the same way. The only issue I have with it is that if you are like me on most days, looking here from ipad or mobile whilst on a break from work (we can't all be pro photographers!), then the thread can kill your bandwidth limit (it doesn't mine, but I can see how it'd put off people). Something I will say about posting your own thread on these boards, that I have seen over several months is that if you're not one of the people that always posts about their latest wedding shoot, event or whatever you've been professionally hired for, and a part of the previously mentioned clique, no one will reply in the thread. It's annoying that you get fan followers that will even make stupid comments about how good a poor photo is too, because it's from someone seen as the cliquey crowd. That is the snobbery that puts people off, and to be fair to them I think only Ray and MrK seem to comment on other peoples work/photo/snap/idea/image outside the main posters.

A few of the things I've learned from decades on the net (god I'm old), is that people don't read sticky threads, rarely use the search function (and in some cases, a forums search function is so poor, this leads to people not bothering to begin with, on decent boards that have good search functions). With that in mind, it'd take a while for any changes to effectively be implemented unless it's very clear, like a pop up when you enter the forum section, not logged in, like some newer boards have. This could point out key sticky threads.

I personally like how the TP forums are laid out, although a mod on here a while ago stated you can't have a lot of sub forums in here, for some reason that I didn't understand. I would like:

Gear talk sub forum
Lighting sub forum
Critique sub forum
Lightroom/photoshop/processing sub forum - This would be really nice as there is a mountain of information that could be put in here and I could see that taking off, more than most things.
etc

To my mind, this works better as you can chose instantly what you want to read and don't have to trudge through arguments and irrelevant info you don't care about.
 
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I know what they mean about the clique thing. There are about 4 or 5 people that constantly post in most threads. You are a part of it, but to be fair I think that's just a part of how the forum has matured.

I'm not sure I'd see it as a clique, more the 4 or 5 people that have helped keep this forum alive.
 
I've lurked in this sub forum every day from pretty much when I joined ocuk.

I contributed heavily a few years ago when it was at its peak but now I mostly read and advise when I feel i can.
I don't contribute as much now as my interest in photography has dwindled over the years but i'm hoping to get it back some day.

It's been a real shame to see this forum decline over the past couple of years but I think its because of a combination of different things.

Mainly, this is a sub forum of a computing/gaming community and there simply aren't enough people interested in photography at the moment. Personally I feel this is the biggest contributor.

The whole issue with water marking and Ray put a lot of people off, unfortunately I think you cut your nose to spite your face on that one. I'm glad to see its been resolved now so lets let it lie.

The closure of the competition was a real hit, admittedly it was only getting a few entries towards the end but at its peak it was huge and a real talking point. I will be glad to see it back.

The picture threads, personally I didn't like all the different themed threads and I cant help but feel locking the PYPH thread will have a negative effect on the forum.
Not every one wants critique on their photos they just want to show them, if they get a bit of feed back then fair enough. A bit like the "images of item I have purchased" thread in general which gets large views.
Personally I like the PYPH thread has you can see a lot of different styles and types of photography.

I dont know if this would work but maybe closing the old thread and starting a new one with a few simple rules like no image quoting, at the start of your post a simple word describing your pictures eg "landscape" "portrait" "macro" etc, having all pictures in spoiler tags?
Doing it like this means people can see and chose which styles of photos to look at.
Only down side is the replies might get a bit jumbled.
Like I say I don't know if its feasible but worth a discussion.

I'm in favor of the idea that if people want critique they can start a new thread but I always thought this was the case anyway?

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Starting a picture thread for each individual sounds like a good idea also.

Separating gear, A lot of new threads revolve around products and what gear to get and it normally involves the same people giving advice. I don't know if separating gear talk into a sub forum will be beneficial or not, I think go with the general consensus on that one.

These are a few of the things that come to mind most of which have already been covered. Its good to see things moving in a positive direction.
 
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