The Placebo effect - true story

jordan282 · 29 May 2011 at 21:15

So my house mate signed up to a trial for growth hormone. They had 3 categories: Normal dose, half dose and placebo. To measure the impact of growth hormone on the body. He had 30 days worth of stuff and had to inject himself 3 times a day.

He is very into working out so took full advantage and went to the gym every day. He also plays american football.He did not know which category he was on. Guess how much muscle he gained and fat he lost in a month?

Valentino · 29 May 2011 at 21:18

over 9000?

tom_e · 29 May 2011 at 21:19

Any idea how many iu of growth was in each dose?

PhillyDee · 29 May 2011 at 21:22

Worst story ever. Missing a plot, a middle and an end.

jordan282 · 29 May 2011 at 21:25

tom_e said:
Any idea how many iu of growth was in each dose?

I have no idea sorry i think it was about 30ml a day

TheCenturion · 29 May 2011 at 21:36

He gained 40 pounds of muscle and lost 20 pounds of fat. I'm guessing he was in the full growth category?

jordan282 · 29 May 2011 at 21:55

TheCenturion said:
He gained 40 pounds of muscle and lost 20 pounds of fat. I'm guessing he was in the full growth category?

He gained 4kg of muscle and lost 2kg of fat. He was on the placebo. This is rather a quick gain of muscle though!

Buffman · 29 May 2011 at 21:59

Cool story bro.

He gained 4mg of muscle and lost 10ug of fat.

Clum · 29 May 2011 at 22:37

Valentino · 29 May 2011 at 22:42

jordan282 said:
He is very into working out so took full advantage and went to the gym every day.

jordan282 said:
He gained 4kg of muscle and lost 2kg of fat. He was on the placebo. This is rather a quick gain of muscle though!

He more or less voided the test then by changing his usual routine? He lost weight and gained muscle because he went to the gym more often than usual.

Buffman · 29 May 2011 at 22:56

About tree fiddy.

Alex_6n2 · 29 May 2011 at 22:58

The Craig said:
About tree fiddy.

She gave him a dollar!

He tricked me.

Freefaller · 29 May 2011 at 23:16

Well HGH alone won't help much unless you stack it with other injectables (I shan't mention them but it's easily looked up) or if you take it for a prolonged (and I mean at least 6 months) periods of time.

Furthermore, it's not something I'm comfortable about discussing here... and I've very dubious about actual tests with HCG. Any more info on these trials? Seems a bit sus to me.

Oh, and he changed his routine - and probably affected his diet to doing that too.

How did he work out he lost 2kg of fat and gained 4kg of muscle? Did he take bioimpedance tests before and after?

Sorry, not denying what you're saying, but the story has a few bits of info missing.

Andr3w · 30 May 2011 at 05:17

Acheivement unlocked: OP Destroyed.

Tefal · 30 May 2011 at 05:50

Hope he told the people running the trial he significantly changed his routine, so they can adjust their results.

Jaap74 · 30 May 2011 at 06:52

How much did his testes shrink by ?

Freefaller · 30 May 2011 at 08:40

HGH doesn't affect your HPTA like steroids do - and the effect of HGH is completely different and disparate to the way steroids behave. This is not something I intend on going on into on this forum - there is plenty of info available out there. Besides, if he was on the placebo, which I'm guessing was just bacteriostatic water he was injecting, then why would his testes shrink at all?

jordan282 · 30 May 2011 at 10:45

Freefaller said:
Well HGH alone won't help much unless you stack it with other injectables (I shan't mention them but it's easily looked up) or if you take it for a prolonged (and I mean at least 6 months) periods of time.

Furthermore, it's not something I'm comfortable about discussing here... and I've very dubious about actual tests with HCG. Any more info on these trials? Seems a bit sus to me.

Oh, and he changed his routine - and probably affected his diet to doing that too.

How did he work out he lost 2kg of fat and gained 4kg of muscle? Did he take bioimpedance tests before and after?

Sorry, not denying what you're saying, but the story has a few bits of info missing.

They measured his body fat and lean total mass at the start and at the end...It just shows if you have the motivation you can gain muscle quickly

gambitt · 30 May 2011 at 13:22

Newbie gains.

Freefaller · 30 May 2011 at 13:30

jordan282 said:
They measured his body fat and lean total mass at the start and at the end...It just shows if you have the motivation you can gain muscle quickly

Doesn't really answer my question. Never mind.