The purpose of certain 4x4's?

The boss has a Navara, fair enough the 4x4 helped this last winter, but people assume because it can pull better, the brakes work just as well. Meant the idiot was driving waaaay too fast because he had the traction, ended up sitting a bit too close to the car in front, went to brake and guess what... it slid just the same as most other cars would. That'll learn em.
 
The only 4X4 I'd be interested in owning is a Defender.

I really despise Range Rovers/X5s/Q7s etc. It's a pet hate, I don't really have a reason but from experience people who drive them tend to be knobs and I just cannot see the appeal in terms of driver's cars, only in terms of wealth projection. In fact they seem to do everything really well except drive. Give me something like an E63 AMG please.
 
Their main purpose is to take up more space in a parking bay than is reasonable, and leave me no room to get back into my car.

Their other purpose seems to be to automatically give their driver the assumption that a right turn lane doesn't apply to them and that me not letting them cut me up (from said right turn lane) is somehow my fault. At this point, as demonstrated last weekend, I tend to extend a single solitary finger in a symbol of apology :D

Yes I really do hate X5 drivers, most of which tend to be middle aged women (no offence meant to any male X5 drivers but it's your choice if you want to drive a womans car)



And I do believe that is one of the few proper rants I've had on here :D
 
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What about something like a Toyota Tundra?

Hmmm yes, my uncle's neighbour in Calgary has one of these, his is black with the 5.7 litre 381bhp V8 in it ...I honestly can't see the American trucks holding a candle to this Pseudo American Japanese imposter :) ...it's better in every way really, except looks ...but that's subjective and it looks pretty mean.

The engine is great, I don't know why Toyota don't make more use of it than they do, fuel economy is overrated anyway.
 
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My Mother has just bought a 4x4 thing, its a Nissan X-TRAIL 2.2d (dont know what trim)

She bought it because she has always wanted a big 4x4, now please bear in mind that she does less than 3000 miles a year and works in the same village that she lives in!

She seems happy enough with it mind and thats the important thing i suppose.
 
Love all the moaning that they struggle to do 90 on a motorway, I thought the speed limit was 70... ;) And less space than an estate? Really? I'd check again if I were you...

Agree with most of what you say there - the Navara I had would cruise along very happily on the motorway with room to overtake (and was happy above the speed limit within reason - oh noes!)

But less space than an estate, in some ways it feels like that in terms of perception. Sure more litres of storage but in many circumstances less usable space. I changed from Navara to E61 and in the E61 I have more usuable space most of the time.

I had a hard top on the Navara for the last year I had it, previously open. When open you have plenty of piling space but no dry storage at all, with a hard top you have reasonable height and probably similar space to the E61 with back seats down, but it is not practical in the same way as an estate is. You have to clamber around in it, you can't access it from inside the car, there are not the compartments for stowing small things / protecting things etc.

As I am not a tradesmen, the estate offers more usable space for almost every application. Only the odd time like snowboarding road trips or dump runs does the estate space seem more limited. Also the cabin on the E61 as welll as being nicer and more comfortable is roomier, particularly in the back.
 
my sis used to have a 2.8 swb shogun. if she was travelling from brum back to essex it was cheaper in fuel to drive her boxster
 
Middle class people don't drive those, they are purely the preserve of the working class. Middle Class people drive either the LR Freelander, Discovery or Sport.

Aren't generalisations great!

I would say I am about as unashamedly middle class as middle class can be and yet had a double cab for years. Entrepreneur with my own management consulting firm, public school, educated to masters level, live in a nice part of surrey, 2 kids, 2 dogs, (tarnished) trophy wife ;)

But I agree they are not at all the preserve of the middle classes as was previously implied.
 
a few years ago they were a good tax dodge iirc. lots of people bought them, they became fashionable because of it...

Indeed. I forget exactly how it worked... It might have been that they didn't charge VAT on "working vehicles" or something like that. So you claimed that your Chelsea tractor actually was a tractor and you got it at a good price.

You can still pull off some tricks like this on the company cars front, as the benefit arising on a van is way lower than on a car, so if you can get a double cab vehicle then it's all good.
 
You can still pull off some tricks like this on the company cars front, as the benefit arising on a van is way lower than on a car, so if you can get a double cab vehicle then it's all good.

the "my car is a private taxi" seems to be the current favourite, there is a white skyline driving round mayfair with a cabby license in the top left corner of his window(front and back)! not seen it up close but I'm presuming its legit

good lad if you ask me, I just can't be arsed with the paper work :D
 
the "my car is a private taxi" seems to be the current favourite, there is a white skyline driving round mayfair with a cabby license in the top left corner of his window(front and back)! not seen it up close but I'm presuming its legit

good lad if you ask me, I just can't be arsed with the paper work :D

Our man suggested that rubbish, i wouldnt want to mug me car off with the stickers though :(
 
Well one thing in their favour is their wide enough to go over a speed bump while doing the speed limit without suffering suspension damage over time (normal cars will suffer suspension damage if you encounter speed bumps a lot, that's why sales of shocks/springs are at a record high despite improvements over the years) the government know this which is why they build stupid amounts of speed bumps in order to force us into 4x4's and make more money off road tax, its a conspiracy I tells ya ^^
 
Our man suggested that rubbish, i wouldnt want to mug me car off with the stickers though :(

oh I quite agree, although I have seen tonnes of "taxis" pop up all over the place, rarely with any passengers, clearly the latest trick for the benefit claiming addicts of our fine country....
 
oh I quite agree, although I have seen tonnes of "taxis" pop up all over the place, rarely with any passengers, clearly the latest trick for the benefit claiming addicts of our fine country....

There is a Maserati quat what ever 4 door, and a Flying Spur in Hatton Garden doing it, off their heads the pair of greedy gits like they are short of saving a few hundred quid.

My partner is like that, penny wise, pound fool. That man drives 20 miles to save 2p a litre on petrol.
 
There is a Maserati quat what ever 4 door, and a Flying Spur in Hatton Garden doing it, off their heads the pair of greedy gits like they are short of saving a few hundred quid.

My partner is like that, penny wise, pound fool. That man drives 20 miles to save 2p a litre on petrol.

I drive 285 miles for cheaper beer :p

Although thats a lifestyle choice/change as well! I cannot remotely be bothered with penny pinching, I spend what I have and enjoy myself, what good are savings when I'm destroying my liver and can't see past 34 :p

benefit scroungers, round dodgers and skintflints annoy me - a mazza quat with a taxi sticker :( :( probably of arab descent too, oil baron tight purse string syndrome, my city mates are legendary for it :(
 
I've got my PC, speakers, 2 bicycles, clothes, loads of other bits, and it's a struggle to get it all in the warrior, it would go into the V70 estate easily. Not to mention there is this permenant tool box in the back now which reduces space by I'd say about 10%.

With a proper hard top and the seats up?

http://www.vangadgets.co.uk/images/toyota-hilux-hardtop-trucktop-canopy.jpg

If not then it's not really a fair comparison really. Either way (I know you road bike) getting a messy mountain bike in the back of an estate is going to be tricky!

Agree with most of what you say there - the Navara I had would cruise along very happily on the motorway with room to overtake (and was happy above the speed limit within reason - oh noes!)

But less space than an estate, in some ways it feels like that in terms of perception. Sure more litres of storage but in many circumstances less usable space. I changed from Navara to E61 and in the E61 I have more usuable space most of the time.

I had a hard top on the Navara for the last year I had it, previously open. When open you have plenty of piling space but no dry storage at all, with a hard top you have reasonable height and probably similar space to the E61 with back seats down, but it is not practical in the same way as an estate is. You have to clamber around in it, you can't access it from inside the car, there are not the compartments for stowing small things / protecting things etc.

As I am not a tradesmen, the estate offers more usable space for almost every application. Only the odd time like snowboarding road trips or dump runs does the estate space seem more limited. Also the cabin on the E61 as welll as being nicer and more comfortable is roomier, particularly in the back.

That's the thing though, in an estate you need to put the seats down to get the same amount of space.:p I agree though that a normal car will have a better cabin, which is why I wonder why so many people have them when they don't need them (although compared to my dads old one, that was designed as a work vehicle first, the new ones look like luxuary cars!).

My Mother has just bought a 4x4 thing, its a Nissan X-TRAIL 2.2d (dont know what trim)

She bought it because she has always wanted a big 4x4, now please bear in mind that she does less than 3000 miles a year and works in the same village that she lives in!

She seems happy enough with it mind and thats the important thing i suppose.

That's the thing though, an X-Trail probably emits less CO2 and takes up less road space than your average estate/"luxury" saloon (or at least the same amount). Cars like that and freelanders (and CRV's) aren't really 4x4's, they are big normal cars with a 4x4 driving. I much prefer driving my parents one to our Polo, mostly because I'm not rammed in like a sardine and I can actually see the bonnet.:p
 
I thought the taxi registration thing was well known as a loop hole from a few years ago? I'm sure I remember a piece from top gear or similar.
 
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