The RTX 3080 TI isn't going to be- EDIT - No We Were All Wrong!

[DmitryD]

Its a fallacy though isnt it, where AMD do bring a card equally as fast on performance - at a better price, people still sway to nvidia (if they wernt completely brand loyal) due to the mindshare. The latter point has been answered for many a generation lets be honest here.

Well looks like NVidia does not want to find out if it's true or not, that's why they are bringing in 3090 monster!

Nvidia's actions speak louder than words: by now they'd have info on PS5/XsX boxes performance from devs who now have final revision hardware.

 

[Twinz]

The 2080Ti merely provided a decent generational improvement in performance over the 1080Ti. It should have come in around the price of the 1080ti it replaced.

Nvidia simply offered too little and asked for too much. If they pull another Turing this time, I'll be inclined to go AMD.

 

[gpuerrilla]

The 2080Ti merely provided a decent generational improvement in performance over the 1080Ti. It should have come in around the price of the 1080ti it replaced.

Nvidia simply offered too little and asked for too much. If they pull another Turing this time, I'll be inclined to go AMD.

Totally agree. There is another choice though which doesnt bode well for nvidia (doesnt really dent AMD) is console. There will be a proportion of dejected consumers that either cant stomach the hikes or have seen enough of the performance to value a console gives and just check back in another time.

Being at the cusp of such a widespread launch is making the GPU makers work harder than they normally would. Fudge up the pricing and its going to matter this gen.

 

[Ste]

Agree. My 1080ti will be sold to part fund a ps5 this time around.

 

[Jay85]

So lets get this straight, are we getting that scenario again where the 3080ti is supposed to be the 3090 but instead of giving us the full fat card they've chopped it down and called it the 3080ti and given the full fat card a new name, new tier 3090 so tier prices will jump accordingly? Kinda like what happened with the gtx 680 which ended up being the titan card withe full fat chip and a huge premium? I'm getting that vibe here again...

 

[Chrisc]

So lets get this straight, are we getting that scenario again where the 3080ti is supposed to be the 3090 but instead of giving us the full fat card they've chopped it down and called it the 3080ti and given the full fat card a new name, new tier 3090 so tier prices will jump accordingly? Kinda like what happened with the gtx 680 which ended up being the titan card withe full fat chip and a huge premium? I'm getting that vibe here again...

Yep pretty much, i honestly cant think of a reason as to why the 3090 exists other than to push the titan price higher.

 

[Jay85]

Yep pretty much, i honestly cant think of a reason as to why the 3090 exists other than to push the titan price higher.

It's a joke tbh, year on year things are getting worse and you get less and less for your money. I love building pc's and i love enjoying what i've built and to enjoy gaming on it but not if its gonna cost me a fortune year on year.

 

[Chrisc]

It's a joke tbh, year on year things are getting worse and you get less and less for your money. I love building pc's and i love enjoying what i've built and to enjoy gaming on it but not if its gonna cost me a fortune year on year.

Certainly for the high end definitely. Unfortunately the prices will continue to rise until people stop buying.

PC gaming is a hobby and its where i do a lot of my socialising so i can justify spending a high sum of my disposable income on upgrading hardware. However £1000+ for a top tier GPU? nah you're alright.

 

[jimmysnake]

The 2080Ti merely provided a decent generational improvement in performance over the 1080Ti. It should have come in around the price of the 1080ti it replaced.

Nvidia simply offered too little and asked for too much. If they pull another Turing this time, I'll be inclined to go AMD.

well for me not munch point in paying £1500 to £2000 for a RTX 390 will keep my water cooled zotac RTX 280ti boost clocks in games 2.50 ghz but my card over clocked will do 2.2 ghz so bring it on lol lol prob get net new card when I build a nuw pc lol will pro cost me £10000 but not for 5 years + my py pc plays all games with no prob

 

[jimmysnake]

well for me not munch point in paying £1500 to £2000 for a RTX 390 will keep my water cooled zotac RTX 280ti boost clocks in games 1.95 ghz but my card over clocked will do 2.2 ghz so bring it on lol lol prob get net new card when I build a nuw pc lol will pro cost me £10000 but not for 5 years + my py pc plays all games with no prob

 

[gpuerrilla]

Jimmy two times!

 

[pugheaven]

Certainly for the high end definitely. Unfortunately the prices will continue to rise until people stop buying.

PC gaming is a hobby and its where i do a lot of my socialising so i can justify spending a high sum of my disposable income on upgrading hardware. However £1000+ for a top tier GPU? nah you're alright.

I agree, it's getting mad now I think... I do get the costs to a certain extent... what I can't wrap my head around is the next gen consoles are gonna be kick ass lets be honest probably the biggest jump we'll have seen in tech... YET I believe they'll be 500-600 quid tops... SO, based on that how the hell can nVidia charge probably £1200 for their top card... JUST for a card? I do not get this at all... yeah we all know that Sony and Microsoft won't make money on teh hardware (well do the legend goes) BUT still that's just not weighing up for me... it's the perfect way of killing top tier gaming on PC off I know that... as normal people just haven't got that coin to blow on ONE component (yes very important component but still)...

I'm praying that AMD launch something and don't go down the greedy route and it brings and reigns in all the prices for everyone... nVidia had their way like Intel for far too long... we shall see... and can't wait to see what nVidia produces, it's gonna be menal fast I know that lol

 

[Twinz]

I agree, it's getting mad now I think... I do get the costs to a certain extent... what I can't wrap my head around is the next gen consoles are gonna be kick ass lets be honest probably the biggest jump we'll have seen in tech... YET I believe they'll be 500-600 quid tops... SO, based on that how the hell can nVidia charge probably £1200 for their top card... JUST for a card? I do not get this at all... yeah we all know that Sony and Microsoft won't make money on teh hardware (well do the legend goes) BUT still that's just not weighing up for me... it's the perfect way of killing top tier gaming on PC off I know that... as normal people just haven't got that coin to blow on ONE component (yes very important component but still)...

I'm praying that AMD launch something and don't go down the greedy route and it brings and reigns in all the prices for everyone... nVidia had their way like Intel for far too long... we shall see... and can't wait to see what nVidia produces, it's gonna be menal fast I know that lol

While it's conceivable that they don't make money on the console hardware, this isn't new and doesn't change the fact that they offering a quantum leap in performance with only a minor bump in price.

Nvidia did this before Turing quite often too.

More performance for the same money is just what normal progress looks like.

 

[g67575]

Yea, the RTX 2080 Super is gonna look pretty s**** when the Xbox X series is released, for ~£100 less than the RTX's current price. It wouldn't surprise me at all if the RTX 3080 / and later the RTX 3080 Super end up being £50-£100 cheaper than the GPU it replaces.

 

[gpuerrilla]

Well if that ends up the case and I cant see it going down well either if they are power guzzling heat inferno's, maybe that will be enough for people to wake up and stop buying a dominant brand.

 

[Chrisc]

I agree, it's getting mad now I think... I do get the costs to a certain extent... what I can't wrap my head around is the next gen consoles are gonna be kick ass lets be honest probably the biggest jump we'll have seen in tech... YET I believe they'll be 500-600 quid tops... SO, based on that how the hell can nVidia charge probably £1200 for their top card... JUST for a card? I do not get this at all... yeah we all know that Sony and Microsoft won't make money on teh hardware (well do the legend goes) BUT still that's just not weighing up for me... it's the perfect way of killing top tier gaming on PC off I know that... as normal people just haven't got that coin to blow on ONE component (yes very important component but still)...

I'm praying that AMD launch something and don't go down the greedy route and it brings and reigns in all the prices for everyone... nVidia had their way like Intel for far too long... we shall see... and can't wait to see what nVidia produces, it's gonna be menal fast I know that lol

yeah exactly! i can see AMD coming in cheaper but not by much. The problem is the consumer. (hypothetical) if AMD come in half the price for the same performance of a 3080 for example, it will force Nvidia to lower prices and people will still go Nvidia. I dont blame them, people like what they like. AMD will probably aim for similar performance -10/20% in price.

 

[pugheaven]

Well if that ends up the case and I cant see it going down well either if they are power guzzling heat inferno's, maybe that will be enough for people to wake up and stop buying a dominant brand.

No chance will people stop buying, that's part fo the probelm really, people including myself still want high fps and all the bells and whistles... however for me, I can't see myself buying the top end nvidia... but I can see me making that sacrifice and sticking with AMD... but it's all conjecture as

1. We don't know what performance is liek through the nvidia or AMD range
2. We really don't know what the pricing will be,

However, even if I was a massive nVidia fanboy, I wouldn't buy theirs straight away because I have a sneaky feeling that AMD will release something that's faster than 2080TI (why wouldn't they, if they don't they're idiots) BUT be a lot cheaper than the 3090/3080... and if that's the case, that'll be once again the best vfm card out there. The 5700XT was in the right dcirection, it shook nvidia up a bit, but still didnt' have the horse power to worry them... would be fantastic if the Big Navi was 90% performance of the 3090 @ 60% of 3090 price, that would shake everything up. However, I just can't see AMD releasing a card that's more than £699, I really can't... the most expensive has been the 295x2 which I bought and used for years until this 5700xt... but they have a market and a set of followers, they aren't going to have something as fast or faster thasn Nvidia, but if they're right close and go in good on prices, they could steal some nvidia people back who are on the fence?

EVERYONE want vfm surely? NOT just the fastest card, that's 1% of the population?

 

[gpuerrilla]

No chance, people including myself still want high fps and all the bells and whistles... however for me, I can't see myself buying the top end nvidia... but I can see me making that sacrifice and sticking with AMD... but it's all conjecture

I dont think it will be an issue for the lower stack, i.e. 3060,70 - they may even do really well if they can keep the prices like 10 series level.

However, I just can't see AMD releasing a card that's more than £699, I really can't...

EVERYONE want vfm surely? NOT just the fastest card, that's 1% of the population?

Which is what we are discussing, as long as the prices are reasonable you can choose from both brands. When it comes to vfm (which discounts the titan/3090) its the lower stack that needs to stop going up in price. Who wants a 3060 if its gonna cost north of £400 - we will wait and see..

 

[five8five]

I agree, it's getting mad now I think... I do get the costs to a certain extent... what I can't wrap my head around is the next gen consoles are gonna be kick ass lets be honest probably the biggest jump we'll have seen in tech... YET I believe they'll be 500-600 quid tops... SO, based on that how the hell can nVidia charge probably £1200 for their top card... JUST for a card? I do not get this at all... yeah we all know that Sony and Microsoft won't make money on teh hardware (well do the legend goes) BUT still that's just not weighing up for me... it's the perfect way of killing top tier gaming on PC off I know that... as normal people just haven't got that coin to blow on ONE component (yes very important component but still)...

I'm praying that AMD launch something and don't go down the greedy route and it brings and reigns in all the prices for everyone... nVidia had their way like Intel for far too long... we shall see... and can't wait to see what nVidia produces, it's gonna be menal fast I know that lol

You can't really compare price wise a halo graphics card to a mass produced console made to a cost.
The 3090 will be much faster than either of the consoles and probably the fastest discrete gaming card.

If AMD have something comparable, it's price will be high as well. AMD have said numerous times they are no longer a budget brand and they've seen how Nvidia have made large margins on their higher end cards.

The consoles really need to be compared against a similar performing card, maybe the 3070 but I think more likely the 3060.

I feel console performance will age quickly compared to graphics cards. In two years time the 40XX series will probably be releasing.
Two years later, the 50XX. That's 4 years into the consoles 5 to 7 lifespan. With "normal" performance bumps the console graphics performance will look lacklustre in comparison.

However, even if I was a massive nVidia fanboy, I wouldn't buy theirs straight away because I have a sneaky feeling that AMD will release something that's faster than 2080TI (why wouldn't they, if they don't they're idiots) BUT be a lot cheaper than the 3090/3080... and if that's the case, that'll be once again the best vfm card out there. The 5700XT was in the right dcirection, it shook nvidia up a bit, but still didnt' have the horse power to worry them... would be fantastic if the Big Navi was 90% performance of the 3090 @ 60% of 3090 price, that would shake everything up. However, I just can't see AMD releasing a card that's more than £699, I really can't... the most expensive has been the 295x2 which I bought and used for years until this 5700xt... but they have a market and a set of followers, they aren't going to have something as fast or faster thasn Nvidia, but if they're right close and go in good on prices, they could steal some nvidia people back who are on the fence?

EVERYONE want vfm surely? NOT just the fastest card, that's 1% of the population?

If AMD don't announce or leak anything tangible why should people wait? Don't they need to be proactive?

VFM naturally varies from person to person, it's how long is a piece of string

 

[KungFuSpaghetti]

As good as the new consoles look on paper, there's the old saying that 'paper burns'. Just to play devils advocate, if all games coming out support DLSS 2.0/3.0 baked in, didn't the 2060s see gains of around 60%? Does that not mean that 2000 series cards may end up leapfrogging the high end RDNA2 cards at a significantly lower cost?