The Taser issue .....

Better solution is not force the population to rely on the police to protect them.

Tazers end up being used like this, when fat lazy police officer finds it easier to fire a tazer than run after a handcuffed 20 year old woman causing her to end up brain dead.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-brain-dead-Tasered-trying-escape-police.html

The only people that win is the security industry who sell the security equipment like tazers and body scanners and i still think the masterminds behind a lot of the terror is these industries. Just so that they can sell more equipment.
 
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personaly i'd prefer it if we aslo we issue them with guns
and body cam and if the situation really calls for the use of deadly force
save a lot of court time and wasted money
 
s innes said:
personaly i'd prefer it if we aslo we issue them with guns
and body cam and if the situation really calls for the use of deadly force
save a lot of court time and wasted money
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Some of the police officers I know, I'd not issue them with crayons let alone a firearm.
 
why would you not want to carry a gun?
worried about making what's deemed the wrong choice?

I bet you wouldn't get a payrise either if it were rolled out nation wide.
I'm assuming cops in london with guns are compensated for their training and added risk?
 
arknor said:
why would you not want to carry a gun?
worried about making what's deemed the wrong choice?

I bet you wouldn't get a payrise either if it were rolled out nation wide.
I'm assuming cops in london with guns are compensated for their training and added risk?
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I'm not avert to decision making nor making mistakes - I'm as fallible as the next man.

The UK does not need an armed service and there is little appetite for it within the service and I'm in that camp. I'm not sure about the Met tbh as I don't work for them but allowances for AFOs have largely been done away with as have competency related bonuses.

Fear of the wrong decision isn't my rationale - I just have no interest in routine arming. It isn't needed.
 
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Why?
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It changes the relationship we have with the public and our approachability. The culture in mainland UK isn't to see firearms as standard and people do become more uneasy around them.

That and for most officers outside of large metropolitan areas, there simply isn't the need. I've never had to use my CS spray, let alone a firearm.
 
Burnsy2023 said:
That and for most officers outside of large metropolitan areas, there simply isn't the need. I've never had to use my CS spray, let alone a firearm.
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We get quite a few officers rock up in custody and say "Sarge, can you issue me some new CapTor? Mine's gone out of date".

One officers can was five years out of date!!
 
Burnsy2023 said:
It changes the relationship we have with the public and our approachability.
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Not sure that I necessarily agree with that statement. I have approached armed police to ask them directions or whatever several times - both here and abroad. Neither time did their gun put me off approaching.
 
Amp34 said:
If tasers are safe enough to use in non lethal scenarios then they should be used in training on the police officers using them... If they are considered too dangerous then they should not be used for non lethal situations.
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Funny that, officers training for it are subjected to it (force dependant).


It's a less lethal option and it has it's place. It should be deployed to firearms incidents along with traditional firearms and other less lethal options (baton rounds etc). Rollout to all officers? Probably unnecessary in general, but wholly appropriate where certain officers are routinely carrying it as part of a response unit. Having to wait for an ARV JUST to deploy taser is not acceptable in my opinion. Many people would be very surprised at the definition of a firearm incident and the low level criteria that has to be met (Hint - You do not even NEED a firearm involved to declare a firearm incident)

Forget terrorism, mental health poses a much greater risk to the general public more of the time and is universally experienced in all areas of the country. 'Legal Highs' or New Psycoactive Substances if you prefer are only compounding the mental health situations that present genuine risks to both subject and those around them. Without taser these subjects face the very real prospect of CS/PAVA and baton or.....a bullet. Not a very granular use of force option range there!
 
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Burnsy2023 said:
It changes the relationship we have with the public and our approachability. The culture in mainland UK isn't to see firearms as standard and people do become more uneasy around them.

That and for most officers outside of large metropolitan areas, there simply isn't the need. I've never had to use my CS spray, let alone a firearm.
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Rubbish, I've lived in Germany and the States and never had a problem with approaching cops.
Guess what, most officers won't EVER need to use their firearm, even in the States. It's about being prepared for those rare occasions and being able to protect the public which, by the by, is the job of the police.

Obviously some police officers won't go all the way to protect the public.
 
Burnsy2023 said:
It changes the relationship we have with the public and our approachability. The culture in mainland UK isn't to see firearms as standard and people do become more uneasy around them.

That and for most officers outside of large metropolitan areas, there simply isn't the need. I've never had to use my CS spray, let alone a firearm.
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I would say that the 2012 Olympics has changed that for Londoners as it became a daily experience to see armed officers on duty.

The BTP boys and girls I see at Paddington most days are more tooled up than the Legionnaires patrolling Le Gare Du Nord and no-one faints at the sight of them.
 
I'm all for having more tools for the police force to use, if they deem them necessary of course.

But then I want exceptionally high punishment for anyone carrying knives/guns in this country. I have no tolerance at all for this.
 
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