The US legal system seems more bonkers every day

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America is a lovely country, geographically. In almost all other aspects it confuses and/or scares the living crud out of me.

This week, here in the UK, (former) Prince Harry was awarded ~£100k in damages from a news outfit, for a sustained campaign of phone hacking that may have spanned many years.

Also this week, in the USA, a private individual (Rudy Gulliani) was ordered to pay $148 million to two state election officials. The payment is to include:

$75 million in punitive damages;
$20 million each for emotional distress; LOLWUT
$16 million for Freeman and $17 million for Moss for damage to their reputations

Gulliani himself is supposed to be worth about $50 million.

Not only can he not pay anywhere near this amount, but the two election officials, should they receive this money, will go from being absolute nobodies to multi-millionaires overnight.

We all know that in the glorious land of the free many judges are appointed by political parties (what could ever go wrong with that?) But surely this just makes them look like a land of utter nutcases to anyone looking in from outside.

Some commentators say the whole trial and award is to "send him a message" and the verdict will almost certainly be overturned on appeal. If true, that in itself is bonkers.

Of course, you will find no shortage of Americans calling their legal system broken, but I wonder if anyone would care to explain and/or defend it? Or make the attempt, at least!
 
I'm vaguely thinking that these numbers are literally pulled from someones ass.


That appears to me that juries are told they can pick whatever number out of thin air and then after that an actual judge decides if the numbers have any merit!

Just cue this for every announcement of jury decided damages.

 
I'm vaguely thinking that these numbers are literally pulled from someones ass.


That appears to me that juries are told they can pick whatever number out of thin air and then after that an actual judge decides if the numbers have any merit!

Just cue this for every announcement of jury decided damages.

Surely the whole idea of juries deciding damages (amounts thereof) is a nonsense that shouldn't happen... Surely that should be the domain of actual legal professionals/judges in the first place? For the sake of consistency and fairness?
 
That's irrelevent. If you are happy for the law to screw your enemies, you'd better be happy for your enemies to use the same law to screw you.

Better for everyone that the law not be 100% batfink crazy.

MY enemies? No... stop being so overly dramatic.

He is a scumbag who has made countless millions from being a scumbag. he deserves everything he gets.

I am always happy for the law to screw over scumbags who have made millions from being scumbags.
 
MY enemies? No... stop being so overly dramatic.

He is a scumbag who has made countless millions from being a scumbag. he deserves everything he gets.

I am always happy for the law to screw over scumbags who have made millions from being scumbags.
The legal system shouldn't be driven by emotion, or revenge. That's not what it's supposed to be about.

People who think the law is a tool for getting revenge are dangerous indeed.
 
The legal system shouldn't be driven by emotion, or revenge. That's not what it's supposed to be about.

People who think the law is a tool for getting revenge are dangerous indeed.

It's not about revenge, it's about punishment and a toxic sack of garbage who has made millions from being a toxic sack of garbage getting the punishment he deserves.
 
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If anyone wants to know how Gulliani lost this case so badly, this is his lawyer:

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