The Views of the Iraqi People

Over Clocker · 10 Apr 2003 at 15:42

Originally posted by Bear
Oh so its now convienient to believe what the asylum seekers have to say hey. Only a little while all asylum seekers were money grabbing scrounging scum to some on here !!! Now it backs your agruements they are all truthful honest people. Sheesh.

Im not directing this at any particular but you must know who you are.

Ummm, they are not asylum seekers mate. So ask before you spout your mouth of

Solex · 10 Apr 2003 at 15:44

Out of interest - were those interviewed Shi'te's or Sunni's? Or a mix of the two? Any figures on the split?

Sharknose · 10 Apr 2003 at 15:45

Originally posted by Over Clocker
Nor do i, but 100 out of 100 of those involoved did. i beleive it is pretty close to 100 % in Iraq though. Even his RG, SRG and ministers seem to have legged it.

Cheers, Overclocker. Nice to see you acknowledge that you figures and stats give a real feeling of opinion in Iraq, but is not the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

They, as you say, give a very good 'rough indication' of the situation though. Good find

Bear · 10 Apr 2003 at 15:45

Originally posted by Over Clocker
Ummm, they are not asylum seekers mate. So ask before you spout your mouth of

sorry but from what you said:

"They have just come here for a few months to save their lives (Red Crescent/Cross sorted it)".

I can only go on what you posted, if someone stays here to save thier lives, arent they seeking asylum ?

:confused:

Not need to throw your toys out of your pram, I can only go by what you have written.

Over Clocker · 10 Apr 2003 at 15:46

Also, one thing, these figures were not supposed to be "objective", and in fact, couldnt be expressed here in an objective manner i'm afraid.

I just posted this after receiving 8 requests in the last few days to elaborate on some of the things i was saying

Toekiller · 10 Apr 2003 at 15:46

Of course the Iraqi's should be wary of the Americans. They've been let down often enough over the years.

But who else would have done it?

MindYerBeak · 10 Apr 2003 at 15:48

Of most of the posts I've read by anti war posters they spout out nothing more than hatred for the US. Hardly an argument in my opinion. The results speak for themselves. The Iraqi people are H

ppy. Speaks volumes, does it not?

Over Clocker · 10 Apr 2003 at 15:48

Originally posted by Solex
Out of interest - were those interviewed Shi'te's or Sunni's? Or a mix of the two? Any figures on the split?

A mix of the two mate, i can't give what the exact split was (i was never allowed to see all the info), but it was generally not far off the make up of Iraq.

Bony Maloney · 10 Apr 2003 at 15:49

Originally posted by Toekiller
Of course the Iraqi's should be wary of the Americans. They've been let down often enough over the years.

But who else would have done it?

The Welsh of course they know lots about oppression.

MindYerBeak · 10 Apr 2003 at 15:50

Originally posted by Sharknose

Cheers, Overclocker. Nice to see you acknowledge that you figures and stats give a real feeling of opinion in Iraq, but is not the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

They, as you say, give a very good 'rough indication' of the situation though. Good find

And Iraqis dancing in the streets, pulling down staues of an oppressive regime, and showering our troops with flowers are not the truth?

Custor · 10 Apr 2003 at 15:51

Originally posted by MindYerBeak
Of most of the posts I've read by anti war posters they spout out nothing more than hatred for the US. Hardly an argument in my opinion. The results speak for themselves. The Iraqi people are h:dppy. Speaks volumes, does it not?

The ones not shooting at them.

Over Clocker · 10 Apr 2003 at 15:51

Originally posted by Bear
sorry but from what you said:

"They have just come here for a few months to save their lives (Red Crescent/Cross sorted it)".

I can only go on what you posted, if someone stays here to save thier lives, arent they seeking asylum ?

Not need to throw your toys out of your pram, I can only go by what you have written.

OK, fair enough, they are in a way seeking asylum. But they didnt come here out of choice, they were saved by certain people (international agency

). They are not scrounging off the state etc. Most (not all) held down good jobs etc.

Any money is not coming from the UK government, it is coming from the international organisation i beleive.

ps, i didnt throw any toys out of my pram

MindYerBeak · 10 Apr 2003 at 15:53

Originally posted by Custor
The ones not shooting at them.

Like the Iraqi Secret Police you mean?

Sharknose · 10 Apr 2003 at 15:57

Originally posted by MindYerBeak
Of most of the posts I've read by anti war posters they spout out nothing more than hatred for the US. Hardly an argument in my opinion. The results speak for themselves. The Iraqi people are h:dppy. Speaks volumes, does it not?

I agree that there are a number of anti-war people here who are just anti-US. There is no denying that, and their arguments are extremely flawed. Some of the US bashing going on is just as bad as some of the French bashing going on.

What I'm getting at some people (like me) are just hugely cynical of EVERYTHING!!

I guess I'm just a born fence-sitter

If you want a rough figure on it, I'd probably say I'm 75% pro.

Those questioned were questioned by the UK Foreign Office??? I'd be more interesting in seeing the survey results of a fully independent organisation (though I'm sure they'd be pretty close to those the UK FO have supplied).

[Pedantic]
BTW, you can't say the Iraqi people are happy, because thats not true. You can say a large proportion of the Iraqi people are though.
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Sharknose · 10 Apr 2003 at 16:01

Originally posted by MindYerBeak
And Iraqis dancing in the streets, pulling down staues of an oppressive regime, and showering our troops with flowers are not the truth?

They are the truth (90% say), but you cannot surely believe its the WHOLE truth.

Those people were very happy. MANY MANY others not there were happy. But not all are going to be happy.

Your anti-anti-USism is getting to sound like some of the anti-USism MYB IMHO.

hsp70 · 10 Apr 2003 at 16:03

i'm sure a large population of the people of iraq are very happy that the tyrant is gone or going.

It's obvious from the celebrations when they pulled that statue down in the city centre.

however i don't know if they all wanted this direct war to have gotten rid of him.

It's easy to think that everything is fine and dandy from the celebrations we saw yesterday from the media. But do you form the same opinion of their views if someone went to one of their hospitals and showed all that is going on in there?

I was saddened to see that 12 yr old boy who lost both his arms and family from a bomb in the paper and it makes me wonder are the iraqis really in agrrement about the war.

Don't get me wrong, i'm sure they are overjoyed that sadam is gone, of course they are and they would celebrate but when the dust settles and they see all that has gone on in their country i don't know if they would have thought this was the best way to go about it

joker/mmx · 10 Apr 2003 at 16:03

LOL either way it is just a good job we didnt leave it to the UN to decide isnt it ...Otherwise we would still be in the same situation in another 12years time

JOKER/MMX

Over Clocker · 10 Apr 2003 at 16:04

ps, one thing Sharknose, where did i say Foreign Office??

it was carried out by a university department with authority given from the Home Office, because the Home Office were given the task of dealing with them for the time being

Sharknose · 10 Apr 2003 at 16:06

Originally posted by Over Clocker
ps, one thing Sharknose, where did i say Foreign Office??

it was carried out by a university department with authority given from the Home Office, because the Home Office were given the task of dealing with them for the time being

Sorry OC.

Which uni was it by the way (.... and this is pure interest, its not meant to be any sly anti-US comment in any way, just genuinly want to know), if you can say.

MindYerBeak · 10 Apr 2003 at 16:08

Originally posted by hsp70
i'm sure a large population of the people of iraq are very happy that the tyrant is gone or going.

It's obvious from the celebrations when they pulled that statue down in the city centre.

however i don't know if they all wanted this direct war to have gotten rid of him.

It's easy to think that everything is fine and dandy from the celebrations we saw yesterday from the media. But do you form the same opinion of their views if someone went to one of their hospitals and showed all that is going on in there?

I was saddened to see that 12 yr old boy who lost both his arms and family from a bomb in the paper and it makes me wonder are the iraqis really in agrrement about the war.

Don't get me wrong, i'm sure they are overjoyed that sadam is gone, of course they are and they would celebrate but when the dust settles and they see all that has gone on in their country i don't know if they would have thought this was the best way to go about it

The Iraqi people are the best to judge. They know there's been civilian casualties, but they're prepared to accept that in favour of liberation. Their minds and thoughts have been set free despite a few civilian casualties having taken place. This war has produced the fewest casualties in the history of warfare. Think about that.