Theory of Relativity bones to pick

So yeh satilites especialy GPS are very sensitive to general relativity. 10 KM is lot from where your ment to be :P
Its not really the distance, its just that they're moving at several hundred miles an hour, which is required to stay in-line with Earth at that height. :)
 
To you nothing would be wrong you would be moving the exact same ammount as you ever did. except outside time would be flying by years would be passing and you wouldnt notice.
Its due to the speed you are going so that your movement cannot break the speed of light.

Time would be slowing down for you and for everyone else it would be going normaly.
If someone looked at you (hypertheticly) you would appear to be frozen in time to them, and if you look looked at them they would look like they should have that dody chase music playing as they went a million miles an hour doing everything.

but i wouldnt be breaking the speed of light as im travelling less then the speed of light.
Im trying to wrap my head around it.

Also, anyone know if temperature is relative?
 
Ok then.. How about if I was on the phone to you, and i travelled off at 99% the speed of light for 1 year, would you die of old age after say 5 minutes?

No. He's be one year older, as you'd have been travelling for one year from his point of view. Nothing unusual there. However, at 99% of the speed of light, you'd perceive the passage of time about seven times more slowly (see here for the calculation that gave that number; it's called the Lorentz factor), so for you only about 2 months would have passed.

but i wouldnt be breaking the speed of light as im travelling less then the speed of light.
Im trying to wrap my head around it.

Also, anyone know if temperature is relative?

Not in the same sense. Temperature measures the average kinetic energy of the particles in a substance, which has an absolute zero.
 
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Its not really the distance, its just that they're moving at several hundred miles an hour, which is required to stay in-line with Earth at that height. :)

I wasnt talking about how fast they are going or how high they are. Was talking about the clocks that are running on them which will run faster in space than on earth. This mess's up GPS calcultaions so makes errors in locating people if all devices dont have the same time. This is why there clocks have to be altered all the time.
 
Temperature and pressure are linked but I dont think it is relative to size of mass. The only reason I can think of is water -> ice. Colder but less dense.
 
I wasnt talking about how fast they are going or how high they are. Was talking about the clocks that are running on them which will run faster in space than on earth. This mess's up GPS calcultaions so makes errors in locating people if all devices dont have the same time. This is why there clocks have to be altered all the time.

They are indeed compensated for both time speeding up due to less mavity and time slowing down due to their orbital speed. The former is actually more dominant term than the latter
 
Temperature is a measure of the average kinetic energy, so is affected by relativity.

If things are moving relativistically, then temperature is hard to measure and one often quotes the energy as temperature I think

So for relativistic 1 MeV electrons , their temperature is also 1 MeV I think.

Hard to measure temps that high in the lab, one would typically measure energy.

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They are indeed compensated for both time speeding up due to less mavity and time slowing down due to their orbital speed. The former is actually more dominant term than the latter

Correct :) , I found this for anyone that wants to read it about satellites.

Built at a cost of over $10 billion mainly for military navigation, GPS has rapidly transformed itself into a thriving commercial industry. The system is based on an array of 24 satellites orbiting the earth, each carrying a precise atomic clock. Using a hand-held GPS receiver which detects radio emissions from any of the satellites which happen to be overhead, users of even moderately priced devices can determine latitude, longitude and altitude to an accuracy which can currently reach 15 meters, and local time to 50 billionths of a second. Apart from the obvious military uses, GPS is finding applications in airplane navigation, oil exploration, wilderness recreation, bridge construction, sailing, and interstate trucking, to name just a few. Even Hollywood has met GPS, recently pitting James Bond in "Tomorrow Never Dies" against an evil genius who was inserting deliberate errors into the GPS system and sending British ships into harm's way.

But in a relativistic world, things are not simple. The satellite clocks are moving at 14,000 km/hr in orbits that circle the Earth twice per day, much faster than clocks on the surface of the Earth, and Einstein's theory of special relativity says that rapidly moving clocks tick more slowly, by about seven microseconds (millionths of a second) per day.

Also, the orbiting clocks are 20,000 km above the Earth, and experience mavity that is four times weaker than that on the ground. Einstein's general relativity theory says that mavity curves space and time, resulting in a tendency for the orbiting clocks to tick slightly faster, by about 45 microseconds per day. The net result is that time on a GPS satellite clock advances faster than a clock on the ground by about 38 microseconds per day.

To determine its location, the GPS receiver uses the time at which each signal from a satellite was emitted, as determined by the on-board atomic clock and encoded into the signal, together the with speed of light, to calculate the distance between itself and the satellites it communicated with. The orbit of each satellite is known accurately. Given enough satellites, it is a simple problem in Euclidean geometry to compute the receiver's precise location, both in space and time. To achieve a navigation accuracy of 15 meters, time throughout the GPS system must be known to an accuracy of 50 nanoseconds, which simply corresponds to the time required for light to travel 15 meters.

But at 38 microseconds per day, the relativistic offset in the rates of the satellite clocks is so large that, if left uncompensated, it would cause navigational errors that accumulate faster than 10 km per day! GPS accounts for relativity by electronically adjusting the rates of the satellite clocks, and by building mathematical corrections into the computer chips which solve for the user's location. Without the proper application of relativity, GPS would fail in its navigational functions within about 2 minutes.
 
Its not really the distance, its just that they're moving at several hundred miles an hour, which is required to stay in-line with Earth at that height. :)

It's both. Time passes differently on the satellites than on the surface of the Earth both because they are in lower mavity than the surface of the Earth and because they are moving faster than the surface of the Earth. I don't know which is more significant. I'm curious, but not curious enough to spend the time needed to find out.
 
Not in the same sense. Temperature measures the average kinetic energy of the particles in a substance, which has an absolute zero.

If you reach absolute zero your molecules and stuff would have stopped moving right? Would that mean you could put someone in stasis if you could freeze them fast enough that their cells didn't get destroyed?
 
If you reach absolute zero your molecules and stuff would have stopped moving right? Would that mean you could put someone in stasis if you could freeze them fast enough that their cells didn't get destroyed?

Well if it were possible to instantaneously extract all thermal energy from a macroscopic system, then yes, but it's not, and most likely never will be, so no :)

The best we can currently do is cool a handful of atoms (around 100 or so) down to the nano-Kelvin level, but this takes a very long time and is a very delicate process involving precisely configured lasers, magnetic fields, and ultra-high vacuum chambers.
 
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So really there is no such thing as temperature or energy, only the distance moved by particles?

Temperature is a way of describing the thermodynamic properties of a macroscopic system. It's generally not a very useful concept when your experiment consists of a few individual atoms being confined in a small space with very little energy.

Energy is a fundamental quantity in all areas of physics, whether or not you can relate it directly to anything visible. All forms of mechanics (classical or quantum, Newtonian or relativistic) can ultimately be expressed in terms of kinetic and potential energy (the two elementary forms of energy).

You talk about whether these things exist, but what do you mean by that? English exists as a language, right? And yet all it does is describe what's "actually" there in the world around us, in exactly the same way that temperature is a quantity that describes the thermodynamic state of a system and energy is a quantity that describes its dynamics.

Remember that science does not concern itself with questions of what's "actually" there and what "really" exists. Its purpose is to model and predict what's observed, which it does admirably.
 
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I'm saying the only thing you can't do without is distance, so that's what is ultimately being measured, just with extra layers on top. So if it was technically possible you could simply measure everything including temperature, energy and time, in distance (relative to another distance). Though of course it would be impossibly complicated to keep track of every particle.
 
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