Theres a mental woman who's decided to fall asleep on my doorstep!!

jellybeard999 said:
Not responsible to personally deal with her, but there is a responsibility to contact the proper people if there are any real concerns that she's in a bad way.
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Which he did, either people aren't reading the thread or bitslice means something else by responsible, as in it's asim's fault she was there and homeless and looking for Stratford.
 
bitslice said:
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Moogle - London - not my problem

Asim - London - not my problem

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Northern guy helping people and checking they are OK, amazing eh?

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I was born in Sussex, grew up in Sussex, Kent and London and now live in the midlands. Your simple North/South stereotyping is...simple.
 
moogle said:
Damn right it's not my problem, that doesn't mean I don't act on it. Your sweeping statement was that it is my responsibility for a stranger although in no way had I caused the problem.

I'll help because I want to help, not because I have to help someone.
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So how does this work then,
You'll help somebody if you had caused the problem, and/or if you want to help someone?

Surely everyone has the moral responsibility to help everyone else if they are in need, that morality isn't based on guilt or wanting to do something, but doing something because it is the right thing to do.

Obviously people have different interpretations of the right thing to do, but I'd have thought that the basic principle was common.
The rest is a matter of opportunity, almost nobody goes looking for people to help, but if you fall over someone then as the first person there I'd suggest you have a moral responsibility to be helpful.

I think it was somebody else that suggested biscuits :o

@Angilion, not N/S, Northern/London, big difference and a common enough perception from those that have worked there, I'm not saying anything special here.

@moogle, by responsibility, doing a bit more to check she was physically OK, not just to hide behind the curtains and ring the police four times.
 
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Someone being in need is not a good reason to help them, that's too broad a definition. There needs to be consequences for actions, and need is a consequence of actions.
 
The Halk said:
Someone being in need is not a good reason to help them, that's too broad a definition. There needs to be consequences for actions, and need is a consequence of actions.
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So because she was drunk (her fault), it's OK for people not to bother helping her because it's her fault for drinking and putting herself in a state of dependency?
 
Yes if I'm the direct cause of the problem or in some way caused it then yes it is my responsibility to help. Do you think otherwise?

If I have an accident driving a car with someone else do I just drive off and it's the driver behind's responsibility to take care of them and help them?

Also yes, 'if' I want to help someone. If this is a person who I know is a criminal or has caused problems or harm to me before must I help them if they are in trouble?

It's at my discretion. I don't owe help to anyone, except I suppose people who have helped me.

There's a moral responsibility sure and I understand that yes we should help people in trouble but it is not owed to them.

If I'm injured in the street in a bicycle accident I can't say 'Hey, I'm forcing you to stop and help me!'

Does this moral responsibility extend into helping me pay some of my debts? If so then send some of your 'help' to my bank account :D
 
bitslice said:
So because she was drunk (her fault), it's OK for people not to bother helping her because it's her fault for drinking and putting herself in a state of dependency?
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Have to think about that one...

Don't have a love of people who get drunk :o, you pick up the bottle it's your choice. Now if you want to bash me for it, think if she got in a car while drinking, yeh changes now doesn't it
 
bitslice said:
The rest is a matter of opportunity, almost nobody goes looking for people to help, but if you fall over someone then as the first person there I'd suggest you have a moral responsibility to be helpful.

I think it was somebody else that suggested biscuits :o
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I suggested that, moral responibility to help without a doubt. But no "a few years back x y or z", scared of their own shadows. "But this is London"!
 
moogle said:
If I have an accident driving a car with someone else do I just drive off and it's the driver behind's responsibility to take care of them and help them?
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Well the law says you can't leave an accident, if you do the next person along has a moral responsibility to help.
Also yes, 'if' I want to help someone. If this is a person who I know is a criminal or has caused problems or harm to me before must I help them if they are in trouble?
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This is personalising a principle to avoid it for emotive reasons. I don't see a problem with checking if a criminal is OK though, some people forgive those that caused them harm, others may just ignore their responsibility.
If I'm injured in the street in a bicycle accident I can't say 'Hey, I'm forcing you to stop and help me!'
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But it is because other people feel will responsible that you can assume they will stop and help you.



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bitslice said:
So because she was drunk (her fault), it's OK for people not to bother helping her because it's her fault for drinking and putting herself in a state of dependency?
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That's not what I'm saying. You said anyone in need should be helped, I'm saying it's not always the case. In this case she needed the emergency services called, and that's what happened, and it was right to do so.

However if someone is too lazy to look after themselves and they need someone else to do it, then helping them is not the right thing to do.

Aesop's fable about the grasshopper and the ant.... the grasshopper needs help, it's not right to help the grasshopper.
 
bitslice said:
But it is because other people feel will responsible that you can assume they will stop and help you.
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I don't mind people asking for help, it's being told I must help I don't agree with.

Just because I don't help doesn't make me the sole reason someone has that problem.
 
bitslice said:
@moogle, by responsibility, doing a bit more to check she was physically OK, not just to hide behind the curtains and ring the police four times.
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Man what is wrong with you? honestly? I'm getting sick and tired of your bs.

She was physically fine. She was walking around perfectly fine shouting and flailing her arms before she fell asleep snoring. Yes she was still perfectly alive as she was snoring very loudly.

It's not my duty to check if any homeless person I see is "physically OK". Lol "physically ok" just lol.

What bs will you come up with next? :rolleyes: Maybe it's my job to ensure they're 'mentally OK' too?

For the second time. I didn't ring the police 4 times, i rang them once, they rang me back 3 times.
 
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I would just called 999 then forgotten about her, perhaps taken a picture as a memento.

With regards to summoning the police, I find they arrive a lot quicker if you call back after 5 minutes and says you don't need them as you've killed the person. ;)
 
bitslice said:
Surely everyone has the moral responsibility to help everyone else if they are in need, that morality isn't based on guilt or wanting to do something, but doing something because it is the right thing to do.
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The problem being, we've had two-thousand-odd years since Biblical times, people aren't quite as pleasant or trustworthy these days.
Try to help a drug addict and they'll probably rob you in return. I know this cos it happened to me!
 
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