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Thermal Paste Application

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Hi Guys,

Am having to send my motherboard off for an RMA tomorrow due to sound problems. When I removed my processor I cleaned off the thermal paste, how much will I need to reapply? Is it a small 'pea sized' amount that is recommended?

Have got an i7 2600k with a stock cooler. Got some AK-455 paste here.

Many Thanks!
 
Pea size is too big.

Rice grain size is better. Spread it very thin across the whold cpu. (use your finger in a plastic bag of some kind)

Not so thin that you can see the colour of the cpu under it, but you should not have to apply anymore than a rice grain size.

Its personal pref really, but this is the method I have used over the years, and I have had great results every time.
 
I've alway used the credit method.

But, my Intel friend say just a apply a rice size grain attached the cooler & it will spread out as the cpu warms up.
 
also use rice grain but with a little dollop each side so it looks like a +.
then while pushing down, i give it a little twist of about 20 degrees and back again.

also it depends on the thickness of the paste.
ic-diamond 24 recommend a pea size amount as its bloddy thick :eek:
so does not spread easy.
while a thinner paste will require less as it spreads easier
mx-4 is excellent at a reasonable price and is easy to use
 
Application Notes -Amount of Applied Compound

There is always some debate on the amount of applied compound to use, our approach is based on a best to worst case scenario with a one size fits all so the user can experience best odds of a successful mount out of the gate without having to redo his mount.


Say that Intel has a spec of Flat and parallel // to .002. - At the extreme end you get something like the 2 images of the candidate below, to fill that gap/volume you need .05 ml volume of compound for a 30mm X 30mm area about the size of a grain of rice.

worstcase1.png
worstcase2.png


At Innovation we view the rice method differently. We understand that while many heat sink bases are good some can be off as much as the IHS and to cover the contingency of irregular contour on both sink & IHS and since as few as 5% of users lap to correct irregular contour problems and fewer still lap to perfection, IC Diamond adds another .05 ml to compensate for a total of 0.1 ml.

Another factor associated with irregular contours is another mil or two layer of compound is added on the high spots depending on the pressure applied. To fill that gap we add another .05 ml for a total recommended amount of 1.5 ml which approx. equals our 5-5.5mm size bead on center.

Thermal compound is a volume application to fill gaps, not one of weight, liquid spread-ability etc. and our opinion is that whatever the compound, you still need the equivalent volume to close that gap.

Flatnessnote.jpg


Additionally, it is important to apply enough compound, because as the paste thins as it spreads it reaches a maximum zone where air is reformed into the paste application between the sink and his leading to decreased performance and early compound failure

http://innovationcooling.com/applicationinstructions.htm

This is one our competitors compounds - high liquid, low viscosity with the recommended rice size


ricesized.jpg


This is the same application under a glass slide and you can see where air has been introduced into the joint.

Note the darkened halo/spots from about 3 o' clock to 8 o'clock, those are air bubbles obscured with a thin coat of paste.

RiceFailure.jpg



Under heat and pressure the air expands displacing the compound leading to early compound failure and looks something like this...

bubbleexample2.JPG
 
rice grain and an old card. Also try to get it spread in the least amount of passes as you can. You might not see anything when looking at it but the heat always tries its damn hardest to make an air bubble.
 
Thanks for the article :)

Did you say that works with all brands of compound?

Pastes, adhesives etc. There is actually a formal name for the air entrainment, I came across it once and promptly forgot it and I'll be damned if I could find it again as I just noted the effect as what had my interest. - found it! Laplacian Growth, Cusp Formation, viscous fingering

http://books.google.com/books?id=sd...&resnum=7&ved=0CEcQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q&f=false

Start on page 1420 then scroll downFigure 2 then figure 1



http://users.exa.unicen.edu.ar/~jdiez/files/papers/betelu_aam_99.pdf

look at figure 1


End users would not note it as when they pull off the sinks it messes up the pattern except if there was a compound failure like in the last picture where the air voids have migrated and joined together.

Center is covered but the mount is riding on the air bubbles, air is an insulator so the net loss can be 1 to 3C. Problem is over the long term with compound failure.

X pattern works well but we do not recommend it usually as people tend to use excess compound on the mount.
 
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I have always just spread it over the chip with my finger in a rubber glove.

Might be OK for the more liquid type compounds but we do not recommend it for ICD.

Most OEM's thin compounds with a solvent & then either silkscreen it on or use an ink roller so a manual spread would be OK if the air bubbles were pressed out and the paste was not folded in the process entrapping any air IMO. More than one way to skin a cat, just have to be conscious of the details.
 
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