Thinking of a Haswell upgrade ?

[g67575]

Things are looking up for PC gamers, you can build a system without a graphics card or powersupply for between £300-£320, with a B550 motherboard, Ryzen 3600 and 8x2 GB DDR4 3200 or 3600 RAM. Ryzen 4000 series later this year too, so will probably be able to get a new CPU for a similar price.

By the looks of those benchmarks, would've thought the Ryzen 3600 would be enough for pretty much all games (for now).

The quad core Ryzen 3300X really shows how important single threaded performance is... You could get away with that CPU for most games, if you really wanna scrimp.

Still, the 4770k / 4790k does fine in Red Dead Redemption 2 when overclocked, think I'll wait until at least 2021 before upgrading.

Socket AM5 CPUs and Intel's 10nm CPUs should be available by 2021, with DDR5 RAM. Could mean around 100% performance improvement in some games vs Haswell CPUs (E.g. Total War).

I hope DDR5 doesn't cost the earth on launch. I wonder if it will offer any benefit in games vs DDR 4 4000mhz RAM?

 

[Sparx]

whys that then ? 4.5ghz 2500k is no slouch on non multi threaded apps

I went from a 4690k (faster and newer than the 2500k) to a Ryzen 3600 last year. The 4690k is still great for it's time, but even I absolutely noticed the difference in Windows usage, Games, benchmarks etc all round.

If you've gone 2500k -> Ryzen 3600 and think it's slower, you've really not got something working correctly lol. Just cos 'bigger clock speed' doesn't mean it's better than new gen stuff either, shouldn't be comparing it to that lol.

AMD's improved IPC means even at lower clock speeds, it's much much faster than older Intel stuff with a bigger number... 3600 smashes 2500k in every aspect.

 

[marti996]

The only intel chip I'm even slightly interested in would be the 10600K, the prices are becoming more competitive now with regard to the 3700 obviously with the core/thread trade off. Purely gaming in mind I'm very tempted, though still considering the 3600.

got my 4690k to 4.5 so should hold out until zen 3

 

[heatonpkmassive]

Well my stuff arrived, gonna build in the coming days and will update once I have.

 

[welshrat]

whys that then ? 4.5ghz 2500k is no slouch on non multi threaded apps

Agreed its no slouch but even at 4.5ghz the 3600 IPC should smash the 2500k, I know when I moved from my 4790k (4.5 GHZ) to even the Ryzen 2600 (stop gap between 3700X) the difference in windows and multitasking was very obvious. is your RAM at a high enough speed ? as you should not be thinking your old system is quicker in any scenario!

Just been looking at single core cinebench for a 2500k at 4.5ghz and it is around 150 so about 75% of the speed of your 3600 single core. (sorry was intrigued)

 

[heatonpkmassive]

Agreed its no slouch but even at 4.5ghz the 3600 IPC should smash the 2500k, I know when I moved from my 4790k (4.5 GHZ) to even the Ryzen 2600 (stop gap between 3700X) the difference in windows and multitasking was very obvious. is your RAM at a high enough speed ? as you should not be thinking your old system is quicker in any scenario!

Just been looking at single core cinebench for a 2500k at 4.5ghz and it is around 150 so about 75% of the speed of your 3600 single core. (sorry was intrigued)

Good to know you've done the same upgrade as I'm about to and did in fact notice a difference.

 

[TNA]

I went from a 4770K at 4.7GHz to a 3600 at 4.4GHz. Windows was already very snappy, but does feel ever so slightly snappier. Did not make any difference in games as I game at 4K and limit it to 60fps so I never max out the CPU.

There is a huge difference in any video rendering. Core for core the 3600 at 4.4GHz is quite a bit better than 4.7GHz 4770K. Overall it cost me less than £200 to upgrade so it was well worth it for me. Nice to have something new and shiny after 6+ years of having the 4770K

 

[welshrat]

Good to know you've done the same upgrade as I'm about to and did in fact notice a difference.

I guess it depends on usage but I use my PC 24/7 for coding/dev work and gaming and since I built my latest system with 3700X I genuinely look forward to sitting down with it each day. You can have visual studio, android studio, postgressql, MS sql server, VSCode, many browsers open and much more without it even hinting at being upset

 

[heatonpkmassive]

I guess it depends on usage but I use my PC 24/7 for coding/dev work and gaming and since I built my latest system with 3700X I genuinely look forward to sitting down with it each day. You can have visual studio, android studio, postgressql, MS sql server, VSCode, many browsers open and much more without it even hinting at being upset

That's pretty much what I'm after, I'm a bit lazy when it comes to closing Windows

 

[welshrat]

That's pretty much what I'm after, I'm a bit lazy when it comes to closing Windows

In that case it sounds like you have the ideal system on the way. Would recommend 32gb of RAM as well but that can wait until its all up and running unless thats what you ordered

 

[C64]

Agreed its no slouch but even at 4.5ghz the 3600 IPC should smash the 2500k, I know when I moved from my 4790k (4.5 GHZ) to even the Ryzen 2600 (stop gap between 3700X) the difference in windows and multitasking was very obvious. is your RAM at a high enough speed ? as you should not be thinking your old system is quicker in any scenario!

Just been looking at single core cinebench for a 2500k at 4.5ghz and it is around 150 so about 75% of the speed of your 3600 single core. (sorry was intrigued)

yea but the 2500k probably runs at a higher lowest clock and will jump higher faster than the 3600 needs to for light work

of course im not claiming its faster but what can i say it takes longer when i click play coh on steam to load in everything than the 2500k did were talking maybe 2 seconds longer here barely noticeable

its not my imagination ive played coh since 2007 it's probably me noticing a 4ghz vs 4.5ghz difference

 

[heatonpkmassive]

In that case it sounds like you have the ideal system on the way. Would recommend 32gb of RAM as well but that can wait until its all up and running unless thats what you ordered

Just 16GB for now, but I can see me upping that in the coming months, along with getting a fat cooler. Although I've just picked up the kit and the Wraith Prism cooler is very good quality for a stock cooler.

And that B550 board is heavy! Some fat heatsinks on that puppy, but it needs it with its VRM set up. I was considering an X470 or X570, but not all X470s are passively cooled and those tend to be the less good ones, pretty sure all the X570s are active cooling and I definitely didn't want that.

Gonna look at it all for a few days before building it

 

[NightSt@lk3r]

Moved from a 4670k setup to my Ryzen setup about a month ago, could never go back.

 

[heatonpkmassive]

This is what I need to hear

 

[welshrat]

yea but the 2500k probably runs at a higher lowest clock and will jump higher faster than the 3600 needs to for light work

of course im not claiming its faster but what can i say it takes longer when i click play coh on steam to load in everything than the 2500k did were talking maybe 2 seconds longer here barely noticeable

its not my imagination ive played coh since 2007 it's probably me noticing a 4ghz vs 4.5ghz difference

Ok, I have no idea about that game, maybe it just prefers intel for some reason or maybe something is different in your system however it has nothing to do with 4ghz vs 4.5ghz as they mean nothing at all when it comes to the IPC of these processors.

Your Ryzen at 4ghz is able to process so much more than your old i5 2500k can at 4.5ghz, it just doesnt work like that. Combine that with the newer IO speeds etc on your new system and the way that Ryzen can respond to clock change and boost in approx 1ms, it is leagues ahead of sandybridge.

Honestly if you do feel your old system was faster I would investigate further as it really should not be.

btw not trying to be an arse here just that clockspeed has nothing to do with anything when you compare these two CPUs but I guess could be something in the setup of your new build..

 

[heatonpkmassive]

along with getting a fat cooler

I've already caved on this and ordered a Dark Rock Pro 4, I need the new system to be as quiet as this one. This cooler gets good reviews, anyone got one?

 

[subbytna]

I've already caved on this and ordered a Dark Rock Pro 4, I need the new system to be as quiet as this one. This cooler gets good reviews, anyone got one?

I had one before in a previous system. It's massive What case do you have? You can run it really quiet so you barely hear anything other than graphics card fans

 

[heatonpkmassive]

I had one before in a previous system. It's massive What case do you have? You can run it really quiet so you barely hear anything other than graphics card fans

Yeh, I know it's a biggun. I've got a full tower case that can take up to 170mm height coolers. I should be okay, certainly hope so.

It's the quiteness I reckon that stopped me putting this system together. This i7 is so quiet, the entire system has 9 fans that ensure good airflow, with CPU and graphics card at mid 60's when gaming. So I realised things would get noisier with the Prism cooler, good quality cooler though it is.

I'm thinking the Dark Rock Pro 4 will keep a 3700x at a decent temperature and allow it to boost at decent speeds.

 

[heatonpkmassive]

System's built, seems to boost to 4.3Ghz out of the box, looking forward to tuning it up in the coming days.

 

[BluesFanUK]

If you feel your 3600 is slower than the 2500k - you’ve done something wrong lol

I had a similar initial reaction when I went from an i5-2400 to an i7-5820k five years ago. Sure the extra cores/threads made a difference but not sure it was enough to justify my purchase at the time, particularly as that platform was so expensive in 2015.