This Business and Moment...

To use an analogy it’s like one set of people are building a railway track and another set of people are building a train with the intention of ultimately operating a railway line, but nobody is checking if the gauge matches. It doesn’t help that there’s numerous vendors involved on different SoWs, ambiguity on who should take decisions and a general mishmash of projects touching on the same things. I feel like we are at risk of spinning tyres and also end up cutting a lot of corners to demonstrate progress, hence compromising the original strategy. What I haven’t yet determined is whether this is the elephant in the room that everyone knows but not many are talking about, or if it’s simply because I’m new and don’t have visibility of all the machinations behind the scenes yet.
Bloody hell, you haven't come to work with my firm have you? :p

We're just very much somewhere in the middle of a ~2 year process to define and launch a new platform and the scale of manpower is just very big. So we've got so many contractors and new roles and newly joined support staff, even finance and HR and legal depts are showing this same kind of... Strongly target driven disorganisation.
 
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Third second interview done - with the next level up at that company and who would be my boss, was interesting and much more relaxed than I expected. It sounds like they'll offer me something and there was a lot of hints that moving from FTC to a permanent position was more likely than not.

I just don't know if the work itself would be enticing/interesting enough. Like a lot of places there was a chat about making better use of data, linking up with financials, PowerBI etc which is fine but I feel there's an expectation there that you're gonna come in and solve all their problems, give them the insights they've been missing, etc when in reality it's a more methodical process of first narrowing down what the current issues are and then interrogating the data to find insights based on those lines of inquiry.

Oh, and got my first offer in from the role I interviewed for yesterday. A bigger bump in salary than I was expecting, likely because I made a big deal about the commute - would be at least an hour each way on a good day, but thankfully only twice a week after the induction period.
 
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Know the feeling.

I'm getting peppered with meetings. What is more amusing is that one customer director complained about me to her boss - essentially the director seems to favour only one individual (long term work colleagues), doesn't understand anything anyone else says (and is prickly as a result) and only wants that single individual to act like a translator (I suspect she doesn't have time to understand just act - which is a bad sign). So for that customer we're all now not allowed to have one-to-one meetings (and it's everyone and not just me it appears to be having the same issues and she getting a reputation).

I think it was because I had a 1:1 meeting with her boss' strategy owner (the boss' deputy) and that took her by surprise in the meeting. I seemed to get on will with him *shrug* and I'm building out part of the business case to support him.

Meanwhile we're on to working well with other custumers.
 
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So a month into my new job I’m finding myself in a bit of a malaise. I feel I’m making good contributions in meetings, emails etc and can bring my experience to a lot of areas, getting stuck in to various conversations etc but I’m lacking a bit of focus for my desk time and struggling to actually produce tangible outputs. I’m naturally a detail person but I’ve mostly been operating on a more strategic and/or leadership level in recent years, and now I’m faced with needing to build out the detail on stuff myself without much direction. I’m getting easily distracted by things I come across not directly in my remit where I think I can add value, looking at things a bit more holistically whereas actually I’m going to be on the hook for some lower-level stuff that I’m struggling to progress. I wouldn’t say it’s “imposter syndrome” as I know I have the aptitude required, but I feel like sooner or later someone is going to say “OK HangTime you talk a good game, but where’s the outputs we need from you?!?”. I look at what I’ve physically produced in a month and its quite pathetic, really, albeit a fair chunk of time was taken for onboarding, relationship building etc.

This is partly procrastination on my part and partly a lack of direction – my boss is in another continent; the programme structures are very vague (my role spans multiple) and I don’t currently have a team around me although that should be coming soon. I’ve never really been faced with this situation before, I’ve either been out of the weeds or if I’m in the weeds I’ve had a much more specific set of goals to work towards, team members that need things from me etc, providing a natural structure to what I do each day. I’m in the office two days a week which to be honest is largely a waste of time aside from the random odd conversation with stakeholders that wouldn’t otherwise occur, and this org is much less mature than some places when it comes to use of chat software, it’s nearly all peer-to-peer rather than large channels so I’m out of the loop on some stuff. On a positive note people seem pretty good to work with, relatively easy going etc.

There’s a backdrop of unease too in that this organisation whilst definitely well intentioned seems to have lots of groups of people rushing around doing related stuff with an expectation it is all going to hang together but without the sort of governance I’ve typically experienced in large orgs. To use an analogy it’s like one set of people are building a railway track and another set of people are building a train with the intention of ultimately operating a railway line, but nobody is checking if the gauge matches. It doesn’t help that there’s numerous vendors involved on different SoWs, ambiguity on who should take decisions and a general mishmash of projects touching on the same things. I feel like we are at risk of spinning tyres and also end up cutting a lot of corners to demonstrate progress, hence compromising the original strategy. What I haven’t yet determined is whether this is the elephant in the room that everyone knows but not many are talking about, or if it’s simply because I’m new and don’t have visibility of all the machinations behind the scenes yet.

Writing this out has helped me self-reflect & conclude I probably need to just come back from holiday and roll my sleeves up, focus on my deliverables and let the big picture stuff naturally fall into place rather than worrying too much about it. It's definitely not the case that I dislike the org or job, more that I'm struggling to adapt to a different way of working.

You're a human being....what are you expecting to realistically achieve in a month? Maybe I am missing something and its a promotion into a new job so you know layout? But even then, it's a month. Barely get systems access, start to meet people, understand layout. Why jump into things and potentially balls them up by talking to early? Everyone gives slack to the new person so it's the time to learn and just set authority out.

I would say slow down a bit and actually build foundations rather than change the world. If it's as screwed as you say there is politics and some probably easy wins that will come naturally once you get the lay of the land. I'm sure there are fires to fight immediately, but don't make a rod for your own back?
 
In other news I did formal interview at other place. Was quite impressed by them I have to say, they actually seemed quite genuine. They knew me from someone who had talked highly of me which was nice to hear. Scope seems hugely ambitious and I think that whilst I would bite at the bit as it's a slow burner I think the complexity will interest me even if the overall product doesn't.

Actually would like the job so fingers crossed.
 
Had 3 interviews over the past 2 weeks, one has scheduled an 3rd interview for next week with their Chief Digital Transformation Officer. This will be an senior role so multiple interviews is ok with me on this.

Other company called me today, they are impressed with my technical skills from the first interview and want to invite me for an 2nd interview but because I dont speak the local language to an business level (German/Swiss German). They want me to take a 3k a year paycut from my salary expectations:rolleyes: considering they are moving to an more international business model and I bring so much technical skills of nearly 2 decades with current technologies. Which they are struggling to find with anyone here.

So I'm waiting for a call back.
 
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Had 3 interviews over the past 2 weeks, one has scheduled an 3rd interview for next week with their Chief Digital Transformation Officer. This will be an senior role so multiple interviews is ok with me on this.

Other company called me today, they are impressed with my technical skills from the first interview and want to invite me for an 2nd interview but because I dont speak the local language to an business level (German/Swiss German). They want me to take a 3k a year paycut from my salary expectations:rolleyes: considering they are moving to an more international business model and I bring so much technical skills of nearly 2 decades with current technologies. Which they are struggling to find with anyone here.

So I'm waiting for a call back.

Companies quibbling over 3k is just sad unless they're absolutely tiny.
 
It's very British to quibble over stupid amounts of money like this, and have stupid paygrades.

"Oh, you're £1k outside of the grade sorry!" <--- well wtf, do you want someone decent or what? :D

It's much easier in the states, where generally - they find the right person, they pay the money as it ends up being cheaper and simpler.
 
It's very British to quibble over stupid amounts of money like this, and have stupid paygrades.

"Oh, you're £1k outside of the grade sorry!" <--- well wtf, do you want someone decent or what? :D

It's much easier in the states, where generally - they find the right person, they pay the money as it ends up being cheaper and simpler.
I had this battle with my current role - internal move from one team to another and from developer to "laboratory manager" so, line managing 2 people plus the facility.

"We'll offer xx,000" (12% pay rise)

I was thinking more like xx,000 (25%)

"We can add 1k to make it 14.7%"

Why?

"It's the top of the band we can offer"

What defines that band? Why is this role in that band?

"Don't know, there are no other roles of this type of level, and it's newly created"

:confused: :confused: :confused:

I took the role and now I just go the **** home at 5.30pm when I had been working til 7pm or 8pm since 2020.
 
It's very British to quibble over stupid amounts of money like this, and have stupid paygrades.

"Oh, you're £1k outside of the grade sorry!" <--- well wtf, do you want someone decent or what? :D

It's much easier in the states, where generally - they find the right person, they pay the money as it ends up being cheaper and simpler.

Ahh the favourite retort to “I am a level 3 and the 4 below me”…”inches?”
 
0400 to 2230.. building a business case is easy when (a) the org is not on mass holidays, (b) they dont know what ROI is, (c) and to get a line added on a budget takes five separate company directors.. 5 direcors in different operating companies!!!
No rate cards, no budget tracking locally for FTE for local cost code..
 
You're a human being....what are you expecting to realistically achieve in a month? Maybe I am missing something and its a promotion into a new job so you know layout? But even then, it's a month. Barely get systems access, start to meet people, understand layout. Why jump into things and potentially balls them up by talking to early? Everyone gives slack to the new person so it's the time to learn and just set authority out.

I would say slow down a bit and actually build foundations rather than change the world. If it's as screwed as you say there is politics and some probably easy wins that will come naturally once you get the lay of the land. I'm sure there are fires to fight immediately, but don't make a rod for your own back?
I guess I have reasonably high expectations of myself and feel that after a month I should have physically produced more, the fact I haven't makes me wonder if it's likely to persist longer term. The onboarding was fairly smooth and whilst I'm still building my network I definitely should be in a position to get things done. 'm the type of person that isn't a ruthless completer-finisher, I'll start things and do half a job but then park it in favour of more interesting stuff. Will see what my boss makes of it i.e. am I where they expect me to be at this stage. Prior to this I spent a few years in consulting where the 'slack' you'd be cut was a couple of weeks at most, maybe it will be a bit slower here.
Laying low would probably have been my approach 10 years ago but in more recent years I've generally found sticking my head above the parapet to be beneficial. I don't think we are 'screwed' but I do think we are missing a lot of foundational stuff and I'd like to think I'm pretty good at spotting pitfalls and driving process improvements - it's just that's not what I've been employed to do. My conclusion is that I do need to make sure I do a reasonable job of the basics, even if it means turning a blind eye to some bigger ticket stuff.
 
Got a second offer yesterday - similar overall value but made up of a lower base and a performance related bonus. This is the 14 month maternity cover so no guarantee of turning permanent either.

Commute is easier but similar distance overall.

Much bigger company though which I'm not sure will suit me well, going from working in a team less than 10 for nearly 7 years to one of 25 in a company of hundreds.
 
Seems to have got the thumbs up from the financial guy, so lets' see next week.

Meanwhile HMRC sent me a tax code letter that in claims in 4 months I had 32K of earnings on top of my actual earnings.. almost an hour wait but spoke to someone and it's already been corrected and they even have to refund me some tax :D Phew.
 
Got a second offer yesterday - similar overall value but made up of a lower base and a performance related bonus. This is the 14 month maternity cover so no guarantee of turning permanent either.

Commute is easier but similar distance overall.

Much bigger company though which I'm not sure will suit me well, going from working in a team less than 10 for nearly 7 years to one of 25 in a company of hundreds.
First offer sounds better to me. This job has a lower base and you may be looking for another job in a year's time. Base salary is nearly always better than a bonus because:
  • It's guaranteed, no getting shafted because someone else messed up and the company isn't paying a bonus
  • It drives the value of other benefits like pensions
  • It means your holiday days are worth more (e.g. if you leave and have untaken accrued leave you'll get paid more in lieu if your salary is higher)
  • It makes conversations easier for things like mortgage applications etc if your package is weighted more towards salary
  • Rightly or wrongly and depending on how good a negotiator you are, it can help in discussions around promotions or alternate employment in terms of securing better offers.
As for the company size personally I wouldn't worry about that. It's good to experience different types of organisation.

If you are seriously considering taking a 14 month FTC on less salary than a perm role elsewhere then I'd look long and hard at the underlying reason why you are feeling that way - there must be something particularly appealing about the FTC / unappealing about the perm role to making it even be a question.
 
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First offer sounds better to me. This job has a lower base and you may be looking for another job in a year's time. Base salary is nearly always better than a bonus because:
  • It's guaranteed, no getting shafted because someone else messed up and the company isn't paying a bonus
  • It drives the value of other benefits like pensions
  • It means your holiday days are worth more (e.g. if you leave and have untaken accrued leave you'll get paid more in lieu if your salary is higher)
  • It makes conversations easier for things like mortgage applications etc if your package is weighted more towards salary
  • Rightly or wrongly and depending on how good a negotiator you are, it can help in discussions around promotions or alternate employment in terms of securing better offers.
As for the company size personally I wouldn't worry about that. It's good to experience different types of organisation.

If you are seriously considering taking a 14 month FTC on less salary than a perm role elsewhere then I'd look long and hard at the underlying reason why you are feeling that way - there must be something particularly appealing about the FTC / unappealing about the perm role to making it even be a question.
That was my thoughts too- the thing putting me off the permanent but higher base role is that the company is loaded up with debt thanks to private equity from Bermuda… CFO thinks they’ll have no issues refinancing in 2026 or even selling the company again but im not so sure. The company itself also doesn’t do something I’m particularly interested in.

Had a third interview today with with the company in Oxford which I’m expecting to get an offer from soon. Just means getting the bus in twice a week which isn’t too arduous and it seemed like a pretty chilled place, fitted out like a startup with TV and Nintendo switches, hot-desking, built in coffee machine taps etc nice furniture. It’s definitely my favourite so far and offers the most in the role as it’s a bit of management accounting, bit financial reporting, international with forex and currency management, listed company, chance to take internal ownership of netsuite for them and the company is doing something interesting. Just gotta see how much they offer.
 
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2026 sounds like a fair way off compared to an FTC role that ends in 2024 though, appreciating they might hit difficulties before that point.
FWIW I recently left a company that was refinancing, one of the things that annoyed me was the used it as an excuse for deferring bonuses.
 
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Third offer in for the Oxford job - same salary as the first offer but with share options on top.

As I said above, it's the only one I'm genuinely excited about and the role interests me the most. Got the weekend to think about it now.
 
Anyone here ever work for National Grid? A colleague of mine is keen to apply for a relatively senior role (head of/director role, not sure exactly) the package seems good, car allowance, good matching pension contribution, decent leave and private health care etc...

I've worked with NG a few times and from what I saw as an external observer it seemed pretty good, driving change and innovation pretty hard. However I only have a skin deep experience with them, anyone have any more in-depth experience?

If you'd rather DM me please do, I just want to get some feedback from your experiences there.
 
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