This could get interesting.

I think trying to pursue it through the legal system is going to be a waste of time, I think he should just put it down to experiencing, it happens all the time. Take a picture of the trip counter/odometer and let them know that they are not to drive the car, if they need to drive the car advise them that they will need to warm the car up if they wish to give it a squirt of power and if they don't do that and it causes further issues you will hold them personally responsible.
 
If he is a lawyer then I suspect he has more knowledge on his rights and likely options for redress than anyone in this thread. However, the question is more a case of is he actually a lawyer as rushing to the internet in such a way strikes me as somewhat petulant.
 
Janesy B said:
I think trying to pursue it through the legal system is going to be a waste of time
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Oh, I dunno.

If there is any damage done to the car then the garage will have to pay for that, will also have to pay damages to the owner (if he claims distress and so on).

He could also go further and take this up with the police as the garage driving the car is tentamount to theft
 
*unzips trousers, gets willy out* i do defendant insurance litigation, so all civil litigation matters.

the only extra knowledge he appears to have at the moment is the damage to the car (if any). "filing" his claim on the day he gets the details from the "opc" is not the right way to be doing it, he will get a nominal award (if anything) for the hurt feelings, he would have to prove that on the balanec of probability, the damage/losses were incurred in those 25 miles.

seems to be full of fail at the moment, until we know what happened to the car, it seems to be a joke
 
Trying to form any conclusions without being in full posession of the facts is what makes internet forums I suppose...
 
Housey said:
This really depends on what settings you are putting onto the car. If you are simply having a 4 wheel alignment to factory settings then I would agree that a road test should not really be needed. However it is often useful to uncover other issues and a good specialist should be able to uncover things in the handling characteristics of the car that may not be directly down to alignment. If your alignment is bang on it is useful to know if other issues exist that would not become apparent on a ramp but this comes down to a proper specialist I would suggest who has extensive experience of the characteristics of your sort of car.

If you are moving to bespoke settings then a road test is prudent as you may uncover things under load that are not apparent when the car in on the ramp. When my GT3 was done first time around it looked well on the ramp and all seemed great. When we road tested it, which I sat in the passenger seat for, it was obvious that under full lock in reverse the front wheels were catching the air vents for the brakes, which needed a few mill removing from them to make this problem go away. I was also getting arch rub at medium lock which again didn’t really show itself until under load. When you do it properly and start to get into corner weighting and ride heights you must road test it really to ensure that everything is true and well.
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Exactly! Ive just had mine done at center mavity in atherstone, the test drive after was also a great experiance, chris has driven many many s2000s and he showed me just what I had been missing out on by a very very poor (dangerous!) previous geometry alignment and repair (previous owner kerbed it and it was taken to a HONDA garage for repair/alignment, who promptly put the adjustment washers the wrong way round and set the car up to what chris said was an extremely dangerous unstable setting, cambers on both rear wheels were at the opposite end of tolerances and one was hugely outside spec, he said he could have done a lot better just by eye). The test drive let him check the car for me, and since I had no idea how much different the car would handle, let him guide me into the new settings and also make sure the car behaves properly.

I wouldn't ever consider taking it anywhere else now, you get free reign of the office/workshop and see up close everything thats being done, the level of service there is second to none, which is why people with s2000s/porches/ferraris rarely ever take their cars elsewhere after having been there!

Imo any alignment center that doesn't allow you to see what they are doing, test the car for safety after making huge adjustments to the way it handles are doing a very poor service indeed. Although If you are taking an ordinary car then I guess this wouldn't really be needed, but there is always the 1 time out of 100 where something is wrong that a machine cannot check for! Safety first etc!

On the drive home I couldn't belive the difference, best money ive ever spent on a car, its bullet straight, stable at very high speeds (can hold it with little finger!), no bounce on the back end over bumps and it sticks to the road like I would never have believed possible! Its a whole new car now, what i was driving before was a shadow of what she is now :D
 
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Lord-Jaffa said:
Exactly! Ive just had mine done at center mavity in atherstone, the test drive after was also a great experiance, chris has driven many many s2000s and he showed me just what I had been missing out on by a very very poor (dangerous!) previous geometry alignment and repair (previous owner kerbed it and it was taken to a HONDA garage for repair/alignment, who promptly put the adjustment washers the wrong way round and set the car up to what chris said was an extremely dangerous unstable setting, cambers on both rear wheels were at the opposite end of tolerances and one was hugely outside spec, he said he could have done a lot better just by eye). The test drive let him check the car for me, and since I had no idea how much different the car would handle, let him guide me into the new settings and also make sure the car behaves properly.

I wouldn't ever consider taking it anywhere else now, you get free reign of the office/workshop and see up close everything thats being done, the level of service there is second to none, which is why people with s2000s/porches/ferraris rarely ever take their cars elsewhere after having been there!

Imo any alignment center that doesn't allow you to see what they are doing, test the car for safety after making huge adjustments to the way it handles are doing a very poor service indeed. Although If you are taking an ordinary car then I guess this wouldn't really be needed, but there is always the 1 time out of 100 where something is wrong that a machine cannot check for! Safety first etc!
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Yep they are very good as I said previously.

Both JZM and Fearnsports let me stand with the chap working on the car when they were doing the work. Both times it was close to 6 hours of work and it gave me a great opportunity to get a good understanding of my car and the impact of different settings and also to have a good nose around to check out everything was bang on. Fearnsport also did a full spanner check of all exposed bolts and then inked up all of them screw points so that movement could be observed next time around.

The difference between a computerised dealer alignment, no matter how clever or expensive it might be and a proper set up from a geo specialist is HUGE.
 
Matt82 said:
just had a quick look again. still not interesting.

id like to know what got broken. it would be a funny claim if it was for hurt feelings and 25 miles of fuel at a low mpg. if so he mugged himself when he didnt accept the 100% refund on his "detail"...
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he hasnt got proof that anythings been broken

the only thing he appears to have proof of, is the odometer being 25 miles worse off and a very low MPG on the trip.

The rest appears to be heresay with him complaining about it.
 
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Yep they are very good as I said previously.

Both JZM and Fearnsports let me stand with the chap working on the car when they were doing the work. Both times it was close to 6 hours of work and it gave me a great opportunity to get a good understanding of my car and the impact of different settings and also to have a good nose around to check out everything was bang on. Fearnsport also did a full spanner check of all exposed bolts and then inked up all of them screw points so that movement could be observed next time around.

The difference between a computerised dealer alignment, no matter how clever or expensive it might be and a proper set up from a geo specialist is HUGE.
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I had all the bushes greased also to address the seizing problem, hubs, brake bleeder etc, he also checked all the torque settings i'd done for the diff/gearbox/engine oil changes, adjusted my handbrake, got rid of the bonnet catch squeek, re-torqued my subframe to deal with the well known clunk on slow reverse then forward movement! All for free.

Gotta love great garages with solid reps, my car will never ever grace a honda garage again, from the state of the crush washers they have never been replaced in the last 3-4 gearbox/diff oil changes from Honda! :mad:
 
Matt82 said:
how comes the gearbox oil has been changed so much? most cars keep the gearbox oil for life etc
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Many a BMW owner will tell you that Oil for life is a load of **** !

Frequent oil changes can only be good for a transmission as long as they are done correctly, especially with auto's. :)
 
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how comes the gearbox oil has been changed so much? most cars keep the gearbox oil for life etc
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Its suggested in the service manual to be done every 3 years, If its done every year though it makes the dreaded second gear clunk on cold go away! 15k milesish is the recommended i would say to keep your transmission nice and smooth.

30quid of top quality box oil makes it feel like butter, which is important to me, the difference the change I done last week made to the shifting was stunning, and the previous box oil has only been in there for 9000 miles.
 
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i beleive exactly the same as you two guys. i dont understand gearbox oil having to last the life of the car... maybe last the life of the car, whilst in the manufactuer's warrenty?

my old golf is on new oil that i put in at 144k miles, the old stuff would have been in there since day one.

ive put 60k miles on it since (gearbox is sweet as a nut) so im tempted to change again maybe. but i never know honda had actual service intervals for the gearbox oil though
 
It doesn't really make allot of sense, if the engine was so badly thrashed something was broken, why hasn't he said so? Is he kicking up a fuss just based on principal? At the same time, what's with the detailer giving him written admission of guilt (so he says) and falling right into his hands, while at the same time contesting everything?
 
I think its a sad state of affairs where owners of high end cars meticulously care for their cars for them to be thrashed and expected to be thrashed by spanner monkeys.

Surely there must be an electronic way to limit the speed and revs of the car when it goes somewhere to prevent it happening.
I would hate to take great care of my car all year, only to have it bouncing of the limiter from cold doing untold damage.
 
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