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This is why it's important to support AMD when they release a competitive product. #CPUGATE

Nope, it's definitely cringe...

Let's not get this twisted, though. Competition is really good - I'm excited for both the tech babble this brings, and the fact it's a new platform to play with. That's a far cry from giving any kind of real care towards internal politics at Intel. Global conglomerates can do whatever they like, as long as they're giving me good products.

Intel has confirmed rebates and other means as of last week, so the post on reddit is true. But as an enthusiast, I really couldn't care less. If higher SKU come in cheaper now, then it's good news for all.
 
It's not cringe it's important to know the motives of a company you are handing your money over too, some people just don't like being treated in contempt either directly or indirectly. It's the same when a major U.S financial institution gets done for laundering Mexican drug money then only pay's a small backhander to hush up the law makers. Or maybe even our illustrious mp's fiddling their expenses which would be known as fraud if we did it yet they only had to sorry to evade prison.

I heard someone say the other day, "If you do not correct, you accept" I would say we have been accepting too much for too long.
 
Silent_Scone said:
Nope, it's definitely cringe...
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Yes. You're very cool in how much you don't care about things.

Rule #1: Never try at anything.
Rule #2: Make fun of those who do.

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:D
 
Don't forget Intel were the company that put a tax on overclocking once they got into a monopoly position. More competition is better for everyone, even Intel fanboys.
 
I can't wait to switch back to AMD and as long as they stay within 5-10% of intel I'm happy never to use intel again, they have taken advantage of consumers for years and it about time it stopped
 
AMD - What can we call our new chip?
Staff - Don't know but we can't call it i7
AMD - Tell you what, put a R at the front and a Zen at the end and nobody will know.
 
h4rm0ny said:
My largest concern about Intel "playing dirty" is compilers. Intel have their own compiler which you can licence and it's very good. But it has also discriminated against AMD chips. If you're a big software vendor and you use Intel's compiler to get more performance, it may run worse than it should on AMD chips.

Now I don't know how much this situation has changed since I knew about it. I don't know how much market dominance Intel's compiler has these days and I'd welcome a comment from anyone who's more informed on this.

I agree, it's very important to buy AMD chips. Though from what Gibbo is saying so far that's not going to be a problem in the home builder market. It's the server market where Intel might get really nasty.
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It really depends what compiler flags you use, we use the Intel compiler for our software and it has given us some fantastic speed-ups compared with the Microsoft compiler. The way it works is you set a base level, a minimum, we currently have SSE3 chosen, you then can add additional code paths with flags such as QaxAVX which will, where possible create an AVX optimized version of some functions. BUT those optimized paths as far as I'm aware will only be used by Intel processors. You can also specify options so it will only run on Intel but that would be foolish unless you were specifically targeting a certain machine spec, i.e doing specialised builds for a server and you wanted it to be as fast as possible for that architecture.

TBH we got telemetrics back from our clients machines (mostly servers and some desktops and laptops) and I think there was 1 machine with AMD out of about 200. As much as it sucks Intel has dominated the market terribly in most big companies. At my office I think the only AMD machine we have is a dual socket opteron server that's used as an MS SQL server.
 
SexyGreyFox said:
AMD - What can we call our new chip?
Staff - Don't know but we can't call it i7
AMD - Tell you what, put a R at the front and a Zen at the end and nobody will know.
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actualy they wanted it to be named Zen, but trademark laws prevented them from doing so, because Zen alone isn't strong enough to be differentiated from the other thousands products named zen, like asus Zen phone, etc...
so they added Ry to Zen, personally i like the name, would have prefered Zen but hey, the important part is that it delivered more performance than what i was expecting.
 
Office PCs which out sell anything else dont require 4C/8T unless they are cheap enough. Entry levels gaming PCs at 400 to 500 with a decent monitor might do well. Servers must be a major factor, what with VMware and all those SMP sockets in a single server.
 
h4rm0ny said:
My largest concern about Intel "playing dirty" is compilers. Intel have their own compiler which you can licence and it's very good. But it has also discriminated against AMD chips. If you're a big software vendor and you use Intel's compiler to get more performance, it may run worse than it should on AMD chips.

Now I don't know how much this situation has changed since I knew about it. I don't know how much market dominance Intel's compiler has these days and I'd welcome a comment from anyone who's more informed on this.

I agree, it's very important to buy AMD chips. Though from what Gibbo is saying so far that's not going to be a problem in the home builder market. It's the server market where Intel might get really nasty.
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They had to fix it:http://www.osnews.com/story/22683/I...quot_Cripple_AMD_quot_Function_from_Compiler_
 
cosmogenesis said:
Office PCs which out sell anything else dont require 4C/8T unless they are cheap enough. Entry levels gaming PCs at 400 to 500 with a decent monitor might do well. Servers must be a major factor, what with VMware and all those SMP sockets in a single server.
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This is true about office PC's, for desktops at work we only order i3's, for Laptops i5's and i7's generally. All Ryzen is going to do for OEM's like Dell etc is give them a cheaper chip to put in place of the Intel chip. I cant see them putting in more cores at all, only in their XPS / Precision range of Workstations.
 
Intel playing dirty /shock.

Well, when you've spent 18 years die shrinking and modifying the same architecture and then your competitor blows your overpriced jokes out of the water on 1/10th your R&D budget you have to try something I guess XD
 
Still waiting on benchmarks, but if Ryzen will deliver me 30% or better single-thread performance improvement, it's definitely going to be on my shopping list. Maybe I can get that now with Intel, but it's not been worth the cost. AMD is looking to be a more reasonable RoI :)

That said, I'll go with whichever CPU delivers the best performance, regardless of what's going on in corporate space. I'm (once again) saddened by the lows to which Intel will dip, but the truth is, one person - or even the entirety of the OCUK forum - boycotting them won't make a dent. If buying the underdog product means using a system that is unsatisfactory, then I've no intention of doing so. There's a balance between taking the moral highground, and inconveniencing yourself in a way that changes nothing except your own experiences.
 
eddiew said:
if Ryzen will deliver me 30% or better single-thread performance improvement, it's definitely going to be on my shopping list
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According to the benchmarks the 1700X I ordered will give me ~50% more performance in multitasking compared to my 4930K. Worth it for me even if the single threaded performance increase is negligible (though I also had other reasons to upgrade, Windows 10 updates are starting to cause issues with my aging X79 setup).
 
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