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Right, long story short.

I've been trying to upgrade this decade old Sandy bridge 2700K rig for what seems like an eternity now but am getting nowhere fast. I have a new case sat here waiting to be populated and the intention is to build a custom hard line WC loop but I need to get this thing moving ASAP.

I've given up even trying on the GPU front as my work patterns simply mean I cant respond fast enough to telegram/discord warnings for stock drops so lets park the GPU stuff for now.

I was ready to buy the following;

  • X570 AORUS Master MB
  • Ryzen 9 5900X CPU
  • Ballistix RGB 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4 PC4-28800C16 3600MHz Dual Channel Kit
  • Crucial P2 1TB M.2 2280 PCI-e 3.0 NVMe Solid State Drive
  • RMx850 PSU
When I then read that 3D Vcache is coming just after Christmas. I don't really want to spend £500+ on a CPU that will be refreshed in a couple of months...BUT I need to get this thing moving, so what to do (this is where you come in).

My current thought is to perhaps drop a R5-3600 into it for around £200 or a R5-5600G for around £220 (probably better value?) and the above, whack it on an air cooler whilst I plan the WC loop properly rather than trying to guess what's going on without seeing everything.

Is this viable or am I being an idiot and should I just wait? I figured I could probably sell the 5600G at the point of purchasing the refresh 5900X in the new year.

Thoughts?
 
Intel Alderlake cpu to be released in approx 4 weeks it would make sense to wait but can you ?

Is this a gaming build any video editung, etc ?
 
mickyflinn said:
Intel Alderlake cpu to be released in approx 4 weeks it would make sense to wait but can you ?

Is this a gaming build any video editing, etc ?
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Its a bit of a mixed bag to be honest. Gaming I think will be its main and 12 months ago I would have said I needed it for Revit / Vray etc but I have a good work laptop for that now that is here full time so theres less requirement for that sort of thing these days. I would say its nice to have but mainly gaming
 
LOAM said:
Its a bit of a mixed bag to be honest. Gaming I think will be its main and 12 months ago I would have said I needed it for Revit / Vray etc but I have a good work laptop for that now that is here full time so theres less requirement for that sort of thing these days. I would say its nice to have but mainly gamin1g
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What about waiting for Alderlake ?
 
https://youtu.be/lLL_mxFg_Jc

Interesting video.might make you feel a bit better about waiting. As Micky says, Alderlake will be ddr4 compatible, so could be a good option

. Could always get a 5800x for £300 or less from auction site if you don't want to wait. Used ones going for a little less...you may find performance is more than enough in gaming (enough vids showing very little gain by going for 4 more cores and price/performance doesnt warrant it now.)
 
If you need a CPU with onboard then your definetly best waiting for Alderlake as the 5000G CPUs are quite lacklustre when paired with a GPU and if you then upgrade the CPU you'll just end up spending the extra cash you would have saved by not going Alderlake.

In the meantime try and pick up an RTX founders edition card as they should be dropping any day now.
 
LOAM said:
Right, long story short.

I've been trying to upgrade this decade old Sandy bridge 2700K rig for what seems like an eternity now but am getting nowhere fast. I have a new case sat here waiting to be populated and the intention is to build a custom hard line WC loop but I need to get this thing moving ASAP.

I've given up even trying on the GPU front as my work patterns simply mean I cant respond fast enough to telegram/discord warnings for stock drops so lets park the GPU stuff for now.

I was ready to buy the following;

  • X570 AORUS Master MB
  • Ryzen 9 5900X CPU
  • Ballistix RGB 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4 PC4-28800C16 3600MHz Dual Channel Kit
  • Crucial P2 1TB M.2 2280 PCI-e 3.0 NVMe Solid State Drive
  • RMx850 PSU
When I then read that 3D Vcache is coming just after Christmas. I don't really want to spend £500+ on a CPU that will be refreshed in a couple of months...BUT I need to get this thing moving, so what to do (this is where you come in).

My current thought is to perhaps drop a R5-3600 into it for around £200 or a R5-5600G for around £220 (probably better value?) and the above, whack it on an air cooler whilst I plan the WC loop properly rather than trying to guess what's going on without seeing everything.

Is this viable or am I being an idiot and should I just wait? I figured I could probably sell the 5600G at the point of purchasing the refresh 5900X in the new year.

Thoughts?
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The 5600G for £220 is very good deal. I’ve been playing a 5700G and it’s a really impressive CPU. Hits close to stock 5800X performance and is very power efficient.
 
Ok all taken on board. I'll certainly look at options on the SSD, it was recommended in the SSD forum but I'll look around a bit.
 
LOAM said:
I'll certainly look at options on the SSD, it was recommended in the SSD forum but I'll look around a bit.
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Even before "upgrade" to QLC garbage, P2 was entry level drive fit on budget PC, not for high end PC.

Dropping excess from board would be more than enough to give high end drive and another £100 to use for something else.
Or alternatively 2TB WD Blue SN550.
 
EsaT said:
Even before "upgrade" to QLC garbage, P2 was entry level drive fit on budget PC, not for high end PC.

Dropping excess from board would be more than enough to give high end drive and another £100 to use for something else.
Or alternatively 2TB WD Blue SN550.
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I'm not tied to a budget limit per se, I'd be happy to upspec the SSD without compromise on the MB. I've had this current rig for a decade it's ridiculous really that I've only had to upgrade the GPU since 2011. That said Im not going to pay scalpers figures out of principle.
 
LOAM said:
I'm not tied to a budget limit per se, I'd be happy to upspec the SSD without compromise on the MB. I've had this current rig for a decade it's ridiculous really that I've only had to upgrade the GPU since 2011. That said Im not going to pay scalpers figures out of principle.
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Besides now below low end performance that P2 is all around substandard.
Because of QLC Flash write endurance is also half of standard.
Actually Phison E12/E16 controller based TLC drives have up to 6 times as high write endurance.


Modern "high end" board prices are often at that scalping level.
You don't even get real better design&quality automatically, but often just more marketing BS sabotage.

Like that X570 chipset cooler.
From Gigabytes X570 Aorus Elite has the best and most rational design for it:
- Unconstricted fan with it and heatsink farther from graphics card's slot for the best chances for passive cooling/slowest fan wear from lower speed.
- Next board up Aorus Pro moves chipset cooler towards graphics card's slot and its heat.
- And Aorus Ultra adds marketing BS to constrict fan.​
Now how's that improvement in quality?
Though I guess it should be considered positive that Gigabyte's heatsinks are the size of "covers"...
Unlike plastic marketing excrements of Asus hiding from tiny to small heatsink entirely relying on fan to really do their job.

MSI has far best X570 chipset coolers with big heatsinks and fan not covered by marketing BS and graphics card.
But original boards had mostly garbage VRMs for the money (copypastas from £100 B450 boards) and MSI added worth of buying model only later.
Now £180 X570 Tomahawk is one of the best X570 boards with quality far above its price point.
For example CPU VRM is one of the strongest of all X570 boards.
And with good case cooling you're unlikely to see chipset fan running ever.
 
The tomahawk was the original choice but again was steered away following comments in the MB section saying the GB way way better and people had, had issues with the MSI board.
 
LOAM said:
The tomahawk was the original choice but again was steered away following comments in the MB section saying the GB way way better and people had, had issues with the MSI board.
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You get issiues from all manufacturers its just that the MSI Tomahawk motherboards are so popular especially here that it mite seem to be more reported issiues .
 
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