Thoughts on this Build

smogsy said:
@Plec no F6 for the Gigabyte K5/K7 that i can see :(
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Yes, the BIOS for different models have different names but if you look at the release dates they're comparable e.g. the F2 on the K5 is the equivalent of the F6 to the B350 - each board seems to be getting the same amount of love now.

As you noticed they both have the BETA BIOS using the AGESA 1.0.0.6 update - and this is showing positive results across the platforms for some users - dependent on memory/brand/frequency...

Will you need the optical bays? I'm a big fan of Fractal design but as the optical bays are becoming less and less a need the clean lines non-optical cases such as the 400Q do look appealing (plus no door). But the be quiet caters for both like the Fractal.

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to be fair if your not overclocking then the 520w would suffice, the 1700x is tdp of 95w and the 1080ti is rated at 250w, the rest of the system wont be pushing that much, mean buy what you like, but it be the quietest psu your going to get of a decent power output(no fan = no noise), seems like more money than you need to spend and as for 1700x, i very much doubt you will notice the .10 extra speed to warrant spending over £40 over the 1700, i hear though primes boards are not that fantastic, but you go with it then you need to make sure it will actually run 3200mhz ram as its states 2666 max
 
also if you can get more than 2666 to work on that apposed motherboard then your still spending more than you really need to on ram when there are these that do the same job, but for less.

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there was the odd ones cheaper than the kingston, but no stock so no point linking them.​
 
ExoMale said:
but you go with it then you need to make sure it will actually run 3200mhz ram as its states 2666 max
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Exo - they all state 2666 - it's all about the memory and the BIOS/AGESA update applied.

It also depends on your skill within the BIOS to degree - but a lot of people settle for setting the XMP and adjusting the multiplier to 2933 as a stop gap.

Samsung B-Die memory for example is the closest thing to getting a guaranteed 3200MHz - even that isn't always possible. Where as i've had success with Corsair LPX 3200Mhz running at 3200MHz - but usually will always hit 2933MHz (to date).

You're buying 3200Mhz kits for future updates. Kinda, speculate to accumulate...

And it's advisable to start of with 2 x 8Gb kits for 16Gb.

ExoMale said:
also if you can get more than 2666 to work on that apposed motherboard then your still spending more than you really need to on ram when there are these that do the same job, but for less.

My basket at overclockers uk:

Total: £398.67
(includes shipping: £8.70)




there was the odd ones cheaper than the kingston, but no stock so no point linking them.​
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And 4 x 4Gb kits is not advisable as you limit your upgrade path for very little saving...
 
Plec said:
Exo - they all state 2666 - it's all about the memory and the BIOS/AGESA update applied.

It also depends on your skill within the BIOS to degree - but a lot of people settle for setting the XMP and adjusting the multiplier to 2933 as a stop gap.

Samsung B-Die memory for example is the closest thing to getting a guaranteed 3200MHz - even that isn't always possible. Where as i've had success with Corsair LPX 3200Mhz running at 3200MHz - but usually will always hit 2933MHz (to date).

You're buying 3200Mhz kits for future updates. Kinda, speculate to accumulate...

And it's advisable to start of with 2 x 8Gb kits for 16Gb.



And 4 x 4Gb kits is not advisable as you limit your upgrade path for very little saving...
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ah fair enough, when i had my computer 1600mhz was the max the board supported, so XMP did nothing for it which is strange to have it unless i was always missing updates? and to be fair again the only bios update i made that actually made any difference was the old dell inspiron 1501 that allowed 8gb rather than the original 4, but i only ever had 3gb, so never tested it, but its going to the scrap so im not interested to test either ha, be nice if my asus could release more than 4gb through a bios update ha.

4 sticks does limit upgrade path to an extent, however unless you need more than 16gb it wont matter(16gb still not really needed in some cases) and if you did want more, but not quite 32gb then you just replace the 2x4 with 2x8 ;), but even so, even the 2x8gb kits are cheaper than what the op chose, so still a valid point on that sense.
 
Plec said:
Yes, the BIOS for different models have different names but if you look at the release dates they're comparable e.g. the F2 on the K5 is the equivalent of the F6 to the B350 - each board seems to be getting the same amount of love now.

As you noticed they both have the BETA BIOS using the AGESA 1.0.0.6 update - and this is showing positive results across the platforms for some users - dependent on memory/brand/frequency...

Will you need the optical bays? I'm a big fan of Fractal design but as the optical bays are becoming less and less a need the clean lines non-optical cases such as the 400Q do look appealing (plus no door). But the be quiet caters for both like the Fractal.

My basket at Overclockers UK:


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ExoMale said:
ah fair enough, when i had my computer 1600mhz was the max the board supported, so XMP did nothing for it which is strange to have it unless i was always missing updates? and to be fair again the only bios update i made that actually made any difference was the old dell inspiron 1501 that allowed 8gb rather than the original 4, but i only ever had 3gb, so never tested it, but its going to the scrap so im not interested to test either ha, be nice if my asus could release more than 4gb through a bios update ha.

4 sticks does limit upgrade path to an extent, however unless you need more than 16gb it wont matter(16gb still not really needed in some cases) and if you did want more, but not quite 32gb then you just replace the 2x4 with 2x8 ;), but even so, even the 2x8gb kits are cheaper than what the op chose, so still a valid point on that sense.
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ive look at the 400Q & be quiet, the 400Q is brillant, but should be louder than the define. and bequiet will be quiter than the Define but temps increase a lot from my research.

regarding 4x Sticks. from research Ryzen does not like 4 Stick much at all. (maybe diff now on 1.0.0.6)

regarding the PSU fanless would be cool, but the as the PSU will be inside a PSU cover Air flow will be low... so not sure on that & the Prime only spins once it hits 50% load & hit 55C
 
smogsy said:
ive look at the 400Q & be quiet, the 400Q is brillant, but should be louder than the define. and bequiet will be quiter than the Define but temps increase a lot from my research.
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I've only suggested midi-cases as I've assumed that size is a factor if not then the be quiet tower range will definitely cover your silence/cooling needs.

smogsy said:
regarding 4x Sticks. from research Ryzen does not like 4 Stick much at all. (maybe diff now on 1.0.0.6)
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Yes, no point considering this - 4 sticks always has the potential to be problematic especially with early adoption systems. But as the system matures these issues tend to get ironed out.

Some people are choosing/experimenting to run 4 x 8Gb kits (32Gb) but some have reverted back to 2 x 16Gb. But for 16Gb 2 x 8Gb all the way...
 
Plec said:
I've only suggested midi-cases as I've assumed that size is a factor if not then the be quiet tower range will definitely cover your silence/cooling needs.



Yes, no point considering this - 4 sticks always has the potential to be problematic especially with early adoption systems. But as the system matures these issues tend to get ironed out.

Some people are choosing/experimenting to run 4 x 8Gb kits (32Gb) but some have reverted back to 2 x 16Gb. But for 16Gb 2 x 8Gb all the way...
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yeh i been trying to decide on the case for seem like weeks...

i was even considering the define C micro atx version, but its only 1cm smaller! only hardly worth it.

idea is to be small & slient :)
 
smogsy said:
i was even considering the define C micro atx version, but its only 1cm smaller! only hardly worth it.

idea is to be small & slient :)
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You mentioned that you really like the 400q - but mentioned noise may be a factor(?). If money isn't a problem why not replace the fans for few Noctuas?
 
Wouldnt water cooling be the better option for quieter computing? That or zero fans and run the whole system passively
 
Plec said:
You mentioned that you really like the 400q - but mentioned noise may be a factor(?). If money isn't a problem why not replace the fans for few Noctuas?
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All stocks will be replaced anyway, but 400Q has bigger intake holes (as big as your hand) to allow noise to escape and their noise dampening appears thinner.
ExoMale said:
Wouldnt water cooling be the better option for quieter computing? That or zero fans and run the whole system passively
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Water-cooling is generally louder on most builds due to pump noise/vibration. I run my fans at just 200-400rpm at full load.. 0 at idle

Zero fans would be epic, but not practical with a 1080Ti in a small case. But if I could get hold of the case from computex I would...

https://youtu.be/9LauL5JxYis
 
smogsy said:
All stocks will be replaced anyway, but 400Q has bigger intake holes (as big as your hand) to allow noise to escape and their noise dampening appears thinner.


Water-cooling is generally louder on most builds due to pump noise/vibration. I run my fans at just 200-400rpm at full load.. 0 at idle

Zero fans would be epic, but not practical with a 1080Ti in a small case. But if I could get hold of the case from computex I would...

https://youtu.be/9LauL5JxYis
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You really are seeking the holy grail in silence. It would be an interesting evolution if they could make those cases mainstream...

As size is a factor for you - the 400Q fitted with an essentially passive PSU and quality aftermarket cooler should be 'relatively' silent - especially with all the fans swapped out. The only thing i can think of that would let it down is the 1080ti kicking in as they can run hot. Your concern with the holes?

What flavour 1080ti have you got?

I have a Fractal case and the loudest thing in it is my PSU - otherwise it would be silent - it's noisier than the GTX 1070 which i can't hear (a be quiet! or super flower being paired with my 'personal' Ryzen build in September/October.). My son has similar setup but not a dedicated silencing case/cooler - and I sometimes i think i could have saved myself £200/300 on silencing kit as i can barley hear his either.

The quest for silence can be expensive and elusive at times - the main problem being is it's all relative. And it can become an obsession - i think I've saturated mine. Like you I've reverted back to quality air - but will probably still change case and cooler with my next build... :)

With the research you're doing I think you'll find a best fit (size : cooling : performance : silence ratio) - I will be interested in your results when you've got it in front of you.
 
Plec said:
You really are seeking the holy grail in silence. It would be an interesting evolution if they could make those cases mainstream...

As size is a factor for you - the 400Q fitted with an essentially passive PSU and quality aftermarket cooler should be 'relatively' silent - especially with all the fans swapped out. The only thing i can think of that would let it down is the 1080ti kicking in as they can run hot. Your concern with the holes?

What flavour 1080ti have you got?

I have a Fractal case and the loudest thing in it is my PSU - otherwise it would be silent - it's noisier than the GTX 1070 which i can't hear (a be quiet! or super flower being paired with my 'personal' Ryzen build in September/October.). My son has similar setup but not a dedicated silencing case/cooler - and I sometimes i think i could have saved myself £200/300 on silencing kit as i can barley hear his either.

The quest for silence can be expensive and elusive at times - the main problem being is it's all relative. And it can become an obsession - i think I've saturated mine. Like you I've reverted back to quality air - but will probably still change case and cooler with my next build... :)

With the research you're doing I think you'll find a best fit (size : cooling : performance : silence ratio) - I will be interested in your results when you've got it in front of you.
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My 1080ti is a aorus extreme. I have modified to slient profile, fans runs slower than standard just a 1200rpm Vs 2300rpm and keep it at 81C.

My reason behind not liking the Corsair 400Q holes are the 2080ti noise will escape where it can.. eg the front air vents.the define has smaller holes , theory is it should suppress more of the noise...

I've got 2 bed sized plastic containers full of fans I have tested for noise. Noctua and bequiet come on top.

Be quiet is quieter at low rpm but at certain rpm you get a very small motor hum. But overall better if you go below or higher than the motor hum ratio..
 
smogsy said:
My 1080ti is a aorus extreme. I have modified to slient profile, fans runs slower than standard just a 1200rpm Vs 2300rpm and keep it at 81C.

My reason behind not liking the Corsair 400Q holes are the 2080ti noise will escape where it can.. eg the front air vents.the define has smaller holes , theory is it should suppress more of the noise...

I've got 2 bed sized plastic containers full of fans I have tested for noise. Noctua and bequiet come on top.

Be quiet is quieter at low rpm but at certain rpm you get a very small motor hum. But overall better if you go below or higher than the motor hum ratio..
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Plec said:
And it can become an obsession...
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I'm revising my last post to:

And has become an obsession :D

Kudos - i'll be really interested in your final result/findings. You should think about writing some of your setups/results up?..
 
Plec said:
I'm revising my last post to:

And has become an obsession :D

Kudos - i'll be really interested in your final result/findings. You should think about writing some of your setups/results up?..
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one experiment, PC is 5M away.
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/smogsy-experiments.18762971/


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@Plec

art a lot of research, and working out Micro ATX vs Micro decided on this:


will be doing a little waiting game, just to make sure Threadripper/X299 is not a huge success in microATX format & further BIOS Maturity.

adding in my 3 1TB ssds + my 1080TI should be pretty decent build

Thanks for all the help :)
 
smogsy said:
adding in my 3 1TB ssds + my 1080TI should be pretty decent build

Thanks for all the help :)
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Pleasure smogsy - not sure how much I helped but talking these things out with other members sometimes helps clarify your decisions.

That cooler is great- only very recently fitted one - and quality and performance was excellent.

Can't comment on the MB - but knowing you I'm sure you've done your research and seen favourable results and support.

And yes adding 3 x 1Tb SSD along with a top end 1080Ti - will certainly take it into the title realms of 'pretty decent build'. A 'Silent but epic little bundle' is probably more suitable.

The SSDs will certainly help with any cooling issues you're concerned with - I've been slowly swapping my conventional drives out and airflow alone has improved as I could remove a HDD caddy, plus the reduced heat form the drives helped considerably.

Best of luck with what ever you ultimately decide on - I'll stay subbed to the thread as will be very interested in your results when you eventually pull the trigger.
 
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