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No-one is choosing their EV based on charging rates at various temperatures, especially when home charging is predominantly 7kwh at most.
Thoughts on Vauxhall Mokka Electric 2021?
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Indeed. Form my point of view an ID.3 is better in pretty much every real world attribute over a Mokka.
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I retreat on this offer of help. It’s not useful info.
Indeed. How can two cars be compared on just the charging curve which for most people is irrelevant 99% of the time. Far too much over analysis going on here.
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Speaks the thruth
The UK infrastructure in my eyes simply isnt ready for everyone to be going full EV, Hybrids yeah ok thes a different kettle of fish.
Unless you have solar panels in which case the home charging is a massive boon then I'd be looking at a hybrid at most if not just plain old petrol.
IF you do go the route of a home charge tho... I'm sure they were far more affordable than 2k
Around here and the places we go there's maybe 2/3 EV car only parking spaces w/chargers.... and they're pretty much always taken.
I also quite enjoy driving and don't mind random jaunts to far flung places... that could very much dissappear with EV only too.
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It can depends on your mileage - if you don’t do much of it and are buying a new car anyway, then it would take a long time to make up the cost of a home charger install through the electric bills alone, if you just used the granny charger at 32p all day instead of 7p overnight.
If you’re doing 10k+ then I agree, but it’s not quite as cut and dry as you make out IMO.
Thanks for your help guys. I've given up on the Mokka. I'm a long time Vauxhall customer, but it seems the Stellantis EVs are quite average.
I'm now considering Hyundai Kona 1st gen facelift and 2ng gen and Polestar 2. Will have to increase my budget unfortunately.
I'm now considering Hyundai Kona 1st gen facelift and 2ng gen and Polestar 2. Will have to increase my budget unfortunately.
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Polestar 2 owner here - feel free to throw anything my way, Long Range Single Motor with Pilot Pack.
I've had a facelift Kona (2021) for 3.5 years and would echo above, better range, better drive, better road feel.
As for charging, do anything you can to get access to home charging if you are intent on an EV. The cost of public charging would make my Kona cost as much to run as my old Lexus GS450h
As for charging, do anything you can to get access to home charging if you are intent on an EV. The cost of public charging would make my Kona cost as much to run as my old Lexus GS450h
Don't do it. It simply isn't worth a full electric if you have no home charging. If you want something electric - look for a conventical hybrid (not plug in) and pick one with the best electric range you can get for your budget and age range.
Full BEV only makes sense if you have home charging.
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despite naysayers comments on charging rates not being an important criteria if you don't have home charger, which I wouldn't have had for ID3
- below thread put the nail in (original powertrain) id3 coffin ..... so if I were contemplating a mokka (or kona) would want to be sure that they were not equally slow in winter weather,
where id3 range anyway would be touch and go for regular 150mile round trip I make.
I could accept the id3 would be the same fuelling cost as my ICE/50mpg using public chargers, but not adding 30min+ to such trips.
- below thread put the nail in (original powertrain) id3 coffin ..... so if I were contemplating a mokka (or kona) would want to be sure that they were not equally slow in winter weather,
where id3 range anyway would be touch and go for regular 150mile round trip I make.
I could accept the id3 would be the same fuelling cost as my ICE/50mpg using public chargers, but not adding 30min+ to such trips.
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I think this is a good shout. My e2008 is great akin to a washing machine but it doesn't have much going for it other than looks (I think it's pretty tidy tbh). The Kona was our first choice.
If you're doing a 150 mile round trip best to consider a car with the appropriate range imo.
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Stay in your lane jpaul. EV guesser.
noted that wltp folks had plans for a low temp -7C wltp, which would give customers a lower bound on miles
the inadequacy of WLTP isn't helping customer uptake, seems a bit like dieselgate, plus all the youtubures bjorn&co have occupied that vacuum
Did think that the LFP batteries used on meb platforms may not be helping sub 10C charging rates (before any battery warming might help)
the inadequacy of WLTP isn't helping customer uptake, seems a bit like dieselgate, plus all the youtubures bjorn&co have occupied that vacuum
Did think that the LFP batteries used on meb platforms may not be helping sub 10C charging rates (before any battery warming might help)
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There’s always been 5 cycle but most don’t homologate against it yet, next year we see the more advanced heat management systems to get the benefit for on cycle credits.
Which LFP MEB cars are you on about? I wasn’t aware any had any. Please phrase a question or statement. This muddle of both is painful.
PS you are probably one of the few weirdos who watches all Bjorns charging videos. Dont get carried away thinking they have effect on uptake.
Which LFP MEB cars are you on about? I wasn’t aware any had any. Please phrase a question or statement. This muddle of both is painful.
PS you are probably one of the few weirdos who watches all Bjorns charging videos. Dont get carried away thinking they have effect on uptake.
I hadn't thought it had but possibly based on apparent upcoming chinese version V - but Ok eu ones seem to have poor charging rates despite nmc.
you've genuinely never watched excerpts of a bjorn video (like I've genuinely never watched strictly) - but his video and publicity in newspapers,
didn't the sun misrepresent some of his stuff ? have contributed to public opinion/fear of range.
which should have been pre-empted by the industry marketting .. and wltp/acea
This is why we don’t rely on AI summaries, the source the summary points to which actually relates to the Born (electrifying.com) specifically sates its NMC not LFP.I hadn't thought it had but possibly based on apparent upcoming chinese version V - but Ok eu ones seem to have poor charging rates despite nmc.
you've genuinely never watched excerpts of a bjorn video (like I've genuinely never watched strictly) - but his video and publicity in newspapers,
didn't the sun misrepresent some of his stuff ? have contributed to public opinion/fear of range.
which should have been pre-empted by the industry marketting .. and wltp/acea
Edit: my result for the same search says ‘The Cupra Born is an all-electric hatchback with battery options that may include lithium iron phosphate (LFP).’ so it can’t even make up its mind what it has.
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